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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 4:03pmSanction this postReply
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You know how we get good Federal law? Repeal every law since 1890.

Then what do we need to do? Update copyright, electronics and intellectual property laws. That should take two months, maybe. The only state laws that need negotiation, rather than repeal, are age of consent laws. All that remains are budgets (which the executive usually submits) judicial and cabinet appointments, treaties and declarations of war. Two weeks a year. Easy.

(Edited by Ted Keer on 7/13, 4:11pm)


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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 4:23pmSanction this postReply
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That's a great idea, Ted.

1890 includes all the good stuff  Radical Republicans fought to get into law, which protects the rights of minorities, and makes them full fledged citizens. How many know which Amendment to the Constitution that is? There's two of them, really.

Quiz on Wednesday.  :)



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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 4:29pmSanction this postReply
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I picked 1890 due to anti-trust.

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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 4:36pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa,

Yes, I'm sure I've never been on a city council. The board I sit on is a homeowner's association - a private corporation.
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You said, "Breaking and entering on Oak Street requires a different law than the breaking and entering on Maple street. They're both breaking and entering crimes, why do they need different laws?"

That's silly - do you seriously think I'd call for anything like that?
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You asked for a good law that I'd like to see now. Here is one:

Neither the House nor the Senate shall pass any bill whose full text, including all amendments, has not been public at least 30 days before it can be voted on. (a clause could permit passage of emergency laws, but require a 2/3 majority vote. And those voted in under emergency conditions would automatically sunset after 30 days if not renewed.)

There is a bill in the house that would make it illegal to vote on a bill that hasn't been posted online for 72 hours - that just isn't long enough.
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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 4:46pmSanction this postReply
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A bill should not be voted on until it has been displayed for as many days as it has pages.

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Monday, July 13, 2009 - 6:31pmSanction this postReply
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Making law to accommodate common sense is just plain sad, Steve, but gotta hand it to you for coming up with a good law.

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 6:06amSanction this postReply
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Steve,

I like that law too, but don't see why it shouldn't be at least 90 days. It'd easily take 30 days just to get some people's attention.

There are additional considerations though - for instance, should (or shouldn't) there be some feedback mechanism to assure members of congress hear what their constituency has to say about said law? Should members of congress be restrained in any way from bucking their constituency (aside from being voted out after it is too late)?

jt




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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 10:27amSanction this postReply
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Jay,

90 days is just fine. There is another law I'd like to see. The ability to recall a congressman. Many state constitutions have such a thing, but not the federal constitution. The thinking might be that they are only there for two years, so why bother - just vote them out at the end of two years. But I think it would have a powerful effect to be able to remove them from office without waiting - and it should include a clause making it illegal for an member of congress to receive any retirement benefits if they are recalled. Senators should be appointed by the state legislature as they once were - and they should be open to recall as well.

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 12:16pmSanction this postReply
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Not just 90 days, but with 90% concurrence of both houses of the legislature.

It should be really hard to appropriate money, and it should only be for stuff that virtually everyone agrees is a worthwhile project, and for which everyone has had ample time to pick holes in the rationale being advanced for the theft.

You just can't get to minarchism if 51% of the legislature can steal from the other 49%. Majority rule democracy pretty much guarantees an expansive government, given enough time.

Hell, in Hawaii a 90% rule would still get you a huge government, seeing as how the legislature has 8 alleged Republicans out of 76.



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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 2:08pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

I like the recall idea, and especially the idea that anyone recalled loses their (inexcusably generous) congressional pension. Such pensions should have some minimum requirements (something better than just one day in office), and should not kick in anyhow before 62.

jt

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Tuesday, July 14, 2009 - 2:22pmSanction this postReply
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There are additional considerations though - for instance, should (or shouldn't) there be some feedback mechanism to assure members of congress hear what their constituency has to say about said law?

We do have something now. It's called "jam the phone lines, and overwhelm the mailbox."

There are other clever mechanisms in place today. YouTube is one. Facebook is another.

 Should members of congress be restrained in any way from bucking their constituency (aside from being voted out after it is too late)?

I think this is a dangerous idea, and goes against the spirit of our electoral process. The last thing I want to deal with are 100 elections a year just to sort this kind of thing out. Every semi organized group of nut jobs will file some kind of  "restraint" against a representative, then everyone else will be expected to vote on it.  No thanks.


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