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Tuesday, January 6, 2009 - 11:41pmSanction this postReply
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As I was uncertain of where to post this inquiry, I hope the moderators will feel free to move this to wherever they deem appropriate.

Just as the title suggests, I am seeking a mentor. I am, at this point, uncertain to exactly what kind of person this would be. Age, area of education, gender, etc... there is no particular preference in any such category. I do, however, have an idea as to why I am seeking a mentor-

My fiance is a Mexican national who speaks English fluently. Since we are lesbians, however, I am unable to help her immigrate to the US through the marital rights other citizens enjoy. Thus, I spend most of my time in Mexico through continued renewal of my tourist visa. I am learning Spanish slowly but surely, but the level of proficiency needed to discuss Philosophy or read critically, I just don't have.

Being in Mexico, I have limited money and limited access to Objectivist materials in English. Also, given that there aren't many English speakers in Mexico, my social circles are limited to online forums and email contacts. I would like to find someone with the patience to discuss various topics with me, and help me to brush up on my ability to read, think, and write clearly. While I do enjoy discussing various topics in a forum setting, I find the consistency of working with only one or two persons to be far more helpful.

Feel free to take a look at my extended profile, and should anyone have the time or the inclination please contact me. Thank you.



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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - 4:07amSanction this postReply
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Who is it that handles South American Objectivist work?  Is it Manfred? I know there are groups in Brazil, but I don't know about Mexico.

Nicole,

It sucks that the US is still somewhere in the Middle Ages when it comes to love and marriage. :(

Do you have any of Rand's books (in English) that you can read, or are you looking for a sponsor that can send you some?  

Other English web resources are the official sites:  www.aynrandinstitute.com and www.theatlassociety.com

There's more, but I have to get to work!  If you need books, let us know.

Best wishes -

Teresa


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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - 10:48amSanction this postReply
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I would suggest following the Ayn Rand Institute's recommended reading list which I follow in this article.

The main thrust of the book (still being written) is to articulate your "selfish" core passions in the form of a Dreams List, then work through the Objectivist virtues of pride, rationality, and productiveness to engage in as much self-actualization as reality will allow you during your finite time in this world.

Read this article for a story of a mentorship gone horribly wrong.

I really recommend just posting questions to this site whenever possible rather than relying on a mentor.



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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - 4:40pmSanction this postReply
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I forgot about Luke's horrifying experience.  Did this poison you to the whole idea, Luke? It's such a great idea, I'd hate to think one stupid kid ruined it for you.

I think it's wise for Nicole to look for a mentor. Forums are really a poor substitute for that kind of relationship. I was extremely lucky, and just fell into some of the best Objectivist mentors ever through our club, which is where all new students should go looking.

You can't go to the movies with a forum, or on a picnic, or to the beach, or call a forum on the phone, or browse through a forum's photo album and book collection. You can't really be friends with a forum. There's no eye contact with a forum. It's hard to get comfortable with a forum.

Nicole, you might want to start an Objectivist group or club in your barrio. You never know, there could be lots of English speaking Objectivists around you.  You'll make lifelong friends if you do. :)


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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - 5:09pmSanction this postReply
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Hey, Nicole, I am the club coordinator so one way to meet local Objectivists and find a mentor is to start your own local club. Visit the PROPEL site and give it some thought. I can help you there.

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Wednesday, January 7, 2009 - 6:39pmSanction this postReply
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First, thank you for your replies. I will take all of your suggestions into consideration, and do my best to get my hands on the books that were also suggested.

Thus far, I have read the fiction works "Atlas Shrugged", "We The Living", and "Anthem". "Fountainhead" is on my computer in e-book form, and as soon as I finish the books I am currently reading, I will begin to read that one. The non-fiction works I have read related to Objectivism are "Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand" by Leonard Peikoff, while the non-fiction works written by Ayn Rand herself which I have read are listed on my extended profile.

I am currently trying to find a way out of our current situation, and to be able to help my girlfriend to be able to enter the United States legally. Should I succeed, we succeed, then I am unsure as to how long I will be in the area of Mexico. Until that time, however, I am not opposed to searching for other English speaking Objectivists in my area in order to start a club. I would be rather happy to do so.

The experience had by Mr. Setzer is most unfortunate. Hopefully telling a little more of myself will somewhat help alleviate any concerns one might have about me-

I'm the oldest of four children by a minimum of 9 years. My mom was 17 when she became pregnant with me, but by the time she was 21 she had married my adoptive father. They were together until after I had become an adult and moved out. My mother is a registered nurse completing her masters, and teaching at a College. My adoptive father worked for Intel and made six figures, so I come from an upper middle class family with no significant traumas to speak of. The worst that could be said is that they were both very busy, and I helped quite a bit in raising my siblings. At the time I considered this unfair, but being older now I am extremely grateful as I have an incredibly close relationship with my siblings.

I did terribly in school, yet was tested with an IQ of 162. This caused my parents to seek a psychiatrist and psychologist who diagnosed me with ADD and explored (but never confirmed) Asperger's Syndrome. I don't have a problem empathizing, but I am quite socially ackward and take the spoken word literally. While I can detect metaphors or sarcasm in writing, it's much more difficult for me to determine when someone is kidding or being literal when they're talking out loud. I graduated High School, and scored highly enough on the SAT to get into ASU where I studied music with an opera focus for a very short time.

I've bounced back and forth between jobs, mostly for personal reasons (sick relatives, finding a better paying job etc), rather the job related reasons (never been fired). Thus far I've been a Para-Optometric Technician, Training Supervisor for the over-night logistics flow team at a Target store, Replenishment Allocations Assistant for Macy's HQ during the Robinson's May take-over, Human Resources Interviewer for Six Flags, and Production Assistant for Bandai Entertainment Incorporated. None of these jobs have been something I deeply loved, but I do feel rather proud of having gotten the jobs without a college degree.

I have no criminal record of which I am aware, maybe a ticket here and there for being in the middle of a left turn when the arrow turned red. I don't drink, and am an ex-smoker. I tried pot once in my first year of college, but haven't done anything like that since. I have Crohn's which can sometimes make me anemic, which can sometimes make me grumpy, but I like to think that being grumpy sometimes doesn't make me bad person.

Bottom line, you'll never get a phone call because I committed a heinous crime. That's a good thing right?
(Edited by Nicole Aranzábal on 1/07, 7:40pm)


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Thursday, January 8, 2009 - 4:53amSanction this postReply
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Have you considered joining a local chapter of Mensa?

They're not Objectivists but maybe you can at least get some relief from the loneliness of a high IQ in an average society.

I should caution you that many Mensans still cling to silly ideas, however.

My IQ is only 130 (tested in 1990) so you definitely qualify for membership.

We had a poll over a year ago about IQ if you want to take it.

If you want telephone support, I recommend Skype to keep costs low.

You opened this thread by saying:

I would like to find someone with the patience to discuss various topics with me, and help me to brush up on my ability to read, think, and write clearly. While I do enjoy discussing various topics in a forum setting, I find the consistency of working with only one or two persons to be far more helpful.

One other organization that can help with clear communication is Toastmasters International. They have a mentorship program and the organization focuses on cultivating skills at speaking, thinking, listening, and leading. Please consider at least visiting a local club. I searched their site and found this:

Avanzados Evolucion Club - Club #: 3889, Dist #: 34, Est: 11/01/2000 Meeting Time: 7:30 pm, Wednesday, 2nd & 4th
Hotel Bristol, Plaza Necaxa 17
Colonia Cuauhtemoc, Distrito Federal, MEX, 06500, Mexico
Club Status: Open to all 58454900
http://evolucion.freetoasthost.com/

Everything I have read about mastering material suggests that retention happens most often when you have to teach it to others. Expressing your Objectivist ideas verbally to a general audience in a supportive environment with the help of a mentor would therefore seem the best way for you to master them. Please consider this.

We also have an RoR Toastmasters Forum on this site.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 - 1:29pmSanction this postReply
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Nicole,

I recommend going to Joe Rowlands and Jeff Landauer's sister site: http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/  It covers the basics of the Objectivist philosophy in an exteremely tight, organized fashion. I also read from your extended profile that you are interested in neuroscience. I have some book suggestions in that area as well:
On Intelligence by Jeff Hawkins   Descartes' Error by Antonio Damasio     In Search of Memory by Eric Kandel    The Synaptic Self  by Joseph Ledoux.

Jim


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Thursday, January 8, 2009 - 3:03pmSanction this postReply
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I will check out the sister site, thank you.

"I have some book suggestions in that area as well:
On Intelligence by Jeff Hawkins Descartes' Error by Antonio Damasio In Search of Memory by Eric Kandel The Synaptic Self by Joseph Ledoux."

I've read Descartes' Error and several other works by Antonio Damasio, as well as the Synaptic Self and other works by Joseph Ledoux. Great stuff. I'll be sure to check out the other titles you suggested. Thanks again. :)

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