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Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:06pmSanction this postReply
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An economics professor I know makes the following argument for bailing out large financial institutions:
Many of the so-called bailouts refer to emergency loans funded by the money-creating powers of the Federal Reserve. The loans are very likely to repaid, and many have already been repaid. These were made in light of the systemic risk of a massive liquidity crisis posed by the impending collapse of large financial institutions; the payments system would possibly have broken down. (If some large institutions default, some otherwise healthy institutions would then not receive payments necessary for themselves to avoid default, etc. The ripple effect would be enormous. A panic could ultimately be touched off as it is realized that the insurance fund of the FDIC could not possibly cover all the bank accounts involved.) The troubled institutions may be quite viable on a long-term basis, but private lenders cannot be counted on to lend to them right now (as explained below).

Smaller institutions do not create systemic risk. You can call it to "favoritism" toward large entities; others would call it a difference in their character that justifies a difference in treatment.

It may be the case that, absent the Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae, the Community Reinvestment Act, etc. we would not be in this situation, but we are in it.

The ordinary banking system has suffered from a massive prisoner's dilemma in the last few weeks; if major banks would lend more freely, others would as well, but an individual bank fears that if it lends more freely while others do not, the economy will be terrible and many loans might not be repaid.

Classical principles do not apply well in this crisis. For example, I have criticized Keynesians for viewing saving as a "leakage," but it IS a leakage if people put funds in the bank, and the bank just sits on them -- and we may be seeing a significant rise in the private sector's saving rate as people cut back on spending to try to pay down debt -- and also because of a lack of confidence about the future. I expect the velocity of money to show a pronounced fall.
What say you?

- Bill

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Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:38pmSanction this postReply
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    "The ripple effect would be enormous. A panic could ultimately be touched off as it is realized that the insurance fund of the FDIC could not possibly cover all the bank accounts involved."
This statement provides the key. The FDIC "insures" bank accounts exactly the same way that Credit Default Swaps "insured" the crappy sub-prime mortgage loans. It's all a house of cards Ponzi scheme (as is social security and most other government programs) that depends upon the economy always expanding so that it never has to meet its obligations. The government's real fear is that when the economy collapses, even average people will finally be able to see that it's not wearing any clothes and has been lying to them all along. After seeing him on 60 Minutes, I'm not sure the man has a conscience at all, but if anything keeps Barney Frank up at night, it's this realization.

As for the rest of the analysis, I have no doubt that the failure of these large US institutions would indeed have a ripple effect through the entire economy. But what good is it to continue to put a veneer of plaster over the reality of this enormous lie? We simply continue to postpone the inevitable and stop the economy for effecting the necessary corrections that must be faced. The longer we put this off, the worse things will eventually be. We are digging our economic grave with these bailouts and other interventionist measures.

As Steve Wolfer pointed out in another thread, I fear that eventually the government is going to panic and turn on the printing presses at warp speed and we will head into the abyss at such a rate that nothing will be able to stop a total economic collapse.

Happy Holidays! :-)

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Jeff


(Edited by C. Jeffery Small on 12/19, 12:40pm)


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Friday, December 19, 2008 - 12:42pmSanction this postReply
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I can sympathize with this argument if it's a short-term solution to what was a long-term manipulation of the economy. However no politician, not one bureaucrat, has made any effort to offer any long-term solutions (which the only tenable one would be a long-term plan to phase-out institutions like the Reserve). Not one committee set up to "investigate" the current crisis. I'd feel better if the argument was we have to do something short-term to prevent a total collapse, and then work our way back to free-market solutions, but this is not what I've been hearing. The only thing I've heard is "we have to do this now so the situation doesn't become worse". Not particularly comforting for me since it's just treating the symptoms without regard to the causes. Perhaps there's something to treating the symptoms while addressing the causes, but addressing one without the other just sucks.

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Friday, December 19, 2008 - 6:17pmSanction this postReply
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The problem is that most of these loans are secret. many banks got such loans, but Treasury refuses to identify them. It might indeed be true that since the treasury is liable for FDIC backed holdings, some loans might be better than liability for FDIC insured failed banks.

BUT HOW DO WE KNOW?

As for systemic problems? Bankruptcy ends them, bailouts prolongs them.

WAMU failed, and Chase bought WAMU. How do we know that Chase didn't buy WAMU with liquidity due to a loan that it got but that WAMU didn't?

HOW DO WE KNOW?

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Friday, December 19, 2008 - 9:54pmSanction this postReply
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Am I right that the Fed is loaning money to banks in order for banks in turn to loan money. If so, that bugs me. The banks blew it. Why give 'em the reins again and condone such behavior? Seems like if the Fed is going to loan money then why not just cut out the middle man and have the Fed do direct loans? That ought to get commercial paper flowing, no? I suspect I'm missing something here.

Empowering these screw-up banks skews competition in their favor. Smaller and more prudent lenders who don't panhandle are placed at severe disadvantage. Like Bill's professor buddy said, smaller institutions don't create the same systemic risk -- and isn't that a good thing? Spread the risk among the little guys why not? Diversify our "lending portfolio" so to speak.

If we really want to play with the big banks that blew it, we *could* put a freeze on their debts for about 3 months; give them time to chop themselves down and reorganize into smaller more efficient units; and after those 3 months, if they still can't get it together, then let them declare bankruptcy. Perhaps by that time, the market will be flooded with smaller lenders such that a bankruptcy here or there won't freak out Wall Street.

Meh...it'll take more than one cut to level this hydra.

Jordan

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 9:27pmSanction this postReply
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I find it irritating that a large part of this problem was the gov't meddling in the affairs of banking institutions, motivating bad loans against conventional underwriting practices. Then they pass these huge bailouts to banks, who do what they see fit with them. So the gov't proclaims that they have to start lending the bailout money more, regardless of what their conventional underwriting practices suggest....

I find it kind of funny that this economist sees the problem at hand as the fact that people would panic if they knew how precarious the situation is. In a situation like that, isn't the SITUATION the problem?

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Sunday, December 21, 2008 - 11:26pmSanction this postReply
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Jordan:

Am I right that the Fed is loaning money to banks in order for banks in turn to loan money.


That's the theory, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Instead of more loans, the banks are just handsomely compensating their own executives and acquiring other banks with their new found taxpayer loot. My own personal credit was slashed and I'm having a hell of time trying to find a bank to loan my business some money for capital improvements, despite having the same income and not being late on any payments, and a ton of equity to boot. Bunch of assholes. This thing turned out to just be a huge money grab because I sure as hell am not benefiting from it.

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Monday, December 22, 2008 - 12:39amSanction this postReply
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John:

I'm really sorry to hear about your plight with the banks, but thanks for giving us this feedback as a reality check as to what is happening out there in the finance world.

Regards,
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Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 2:50amSanction this postReply
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Well, Ted called it on this one. I'm currently reading articles regarding banks refusal to account for any expenditures of bailout funds. Pelosi has called on the people's hero, Barney Frank, to draft more legislation to deal with the problem. Buckle up.

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Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 4:46amSanction this postReply
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All the recent complaints by government about the banks not turning around and lending the money back out... is it because they aren't lending any, or because they - in light of the screwed up economy - are just using prudence and caution again (virtues they earlier neglected at the government's behest)?

I suspect it's the latter case, and frankly think that's what they ought to do. I don't give the government credit enough to really recognize loose lending policies are what brought us to this state - their actions are more political than responsible.

Send Barney Franks to Guantanamo!

jt

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