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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:34amSanction this postReply
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I recently spoke with my Dad about the future and he contended that in the future humans would be irrelevant, that it was possible for humans to have no reason for existing. Those weren't his exact words of course, but that was the gist of his message. So, I ask you:

What place will the Objectivist philosophy hold in a future where man has become so advanced that he fears neither death or pain?
What place will Objectivism hold in a future where machines are able to create anything we desire?
What place will Objectivism hold in a future where we can create, either physically or synthetically, a world of our own?
What place will Objectivism hold in a future where work is not required, where each man is able to have whatever he wants whenever he wants it?

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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:42amSanction this postReply
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What place will the Objectivist philosophy hold in a future where man has become so advanced that he fears neither death or pain?


I don't think that day will ever come, at some level, death will always still be possible, no matter how advanced humans and technology will become. And ultimately a 'person' will always have to continue to *want* to live; some nihilists and the like may find value in death. There have been other threads here on this theme here.

http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/ArticleDiscussions/1303_1.shtml#22

http://rebirthofreason.com/cgi-bin/SHQ/SHQ_FirstUnread.cgi?Function=FirstUnread&Board=2&Thread=1166

http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/Quotes/0859.shtml#0

Furthermore, the avoidance of death is not the purpose of life (as Rand writes, avoiding death is not living) that is, the mere mechanistic process of life is not our ultimate value (as that means we may give up other things we value, the life of loved ones for instance, to ensure the mechanical perpetuation of our existence) It is a particular *kind* of life, a good Aristotlean Eudaimonic life that we ought to pursue. The vast majority of the things I enjoy are not literally directly connected to 'avoiding' death, but are directed toward living what I consider a good life. Removing the threat of death, or diminishing it to a nearly insignificant level, would leave us free to pursue the things that make life worth living, and not just make us able to live.

There was a good discussion on this at OL
http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3586&hl=


What place will Objectivism hold in a future where machines are able to create anything we desire?


It would be easier to acquire the things we value, but conversely this will make material things that are valued *becasue* they are scarce less valuable, and would (I think) encourage persons to base their valuation of things on much more objective standards.


What place will Objectivism hold in a future where we can create, either physically or synthetically, a world of our own?


Objectivism will always encourage us to value reality of non-reality. We would at some point always want to leave 'virtual' worlds and interact with real people in the real world (even if only digitally) because we will place some value on reality itself, and being part of it.


What place will Objectivism hold in a future where work is not required, where each man is able to have whatever he wants whenever he wants it?


People will still need to work to pursue goals, and will still need to think to figure things out, even if materially achieving the particular arrangement of atoms that makes up dodge viper or Warp Core is much easier and cheaper, coming up with the idea in the first place will still require goals, work, and effort.


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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:51amSanction this postReply
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There is ALWAYS the frontier - Space, the final frontier, ever and onward, where life is harsher than elsewhere and challenges will always abound.....

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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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I too don't ever think that day will come. I don't think we will make it to the point of being 'super-human'. While man's technological achievement is moving up and up, man's moral achievement, it seems to me, is only sinking.

If man ever gets to the point of ability mentioned above, there might not be any men worth it.

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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 10:52pmSanction this postReply
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Steve:

     I suspect that you really haven't 'read' that much of Rand's books. I really can't see how anyone who has read them (maybe, more accurately, 'digested' them), regardless agreement or disagreement with anything/everything in them, would even think of these sociological-type questions as...important.

     They're certainly not relevent to any of us living now. --- One might's well ask, just as randomly and idly hypothetically, if the human species will naturally 'mutantize' into an evolutionarily different 'species' by 9999. I mean, little point in arguing pro OR con about it.

LLAP
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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 11:31pmSanction this postReply
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If we could bring a caveman to our times, he’d say we’re there already.

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Thursday, August 2, 2007 - 11:58amSanction this postReply
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     I've heard more than once before about our contemporary selves as having achieved greater techno achievements in making physical life better (on average) than was in the past, but, spiritually and morally, we've all really been getting worse.

     My prob with that is that I've never heard what group in history were spiritually and morally more 'enlightened'...and...whatever happened to them, or, their teachings?

LLAP
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