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Monday, November 28, 2005 - 3:49pmSanction this postReply
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I ran across the following link today:  http://www.friesian.com/rand.htm

In the piece, the author states that Rand borrowed from Kant and the quote from the Virtue of Selfishness is at the bottom of the article which she supposedly took (not the quote but the idea).

I know that Ayn Rand was not very fond of Kant (to state it nicely), so what gives with the above article?

I don't know much about Kant besides what I've read from Ayn Rand, so please forgive my ignorance on these matters:)

Thank you,

WA


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Monday, November 28, 2005 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry I can't answer your question, but despite the criticism of Rand I liked the other parts of the site, especially the dissolution of communism into its various rat forms!

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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 6:53pmSanction this postReply
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William, Kant's use of that phrase -- that men are always ends, and never a mere means (to an end) -- is illegitimate. His ethics would praise actions (duties) that are, psychologically, unbeneficial to the acting agent. Actions are more moral if they don't also make you happy (actions that make you happy are less moral, or even amoral). The rub is that a man (the acting agent) has just been treated as a means to an end -- and not as an end in himself.

For Rand, the phrase applies universally (it is even true of the moral agent, for no other reason than because he's a man); but for Kant, the phrase only, operationally, applies to "other" men, men besides the acting moral agent -- and that is contradictory and, therefore, illegitimate.

Kant said it first, but Rand was the first to legitimately state it in a legitimate context including all acting agents -- ie. as a noncontradictory moral principle.

Ed


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Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 7:10pmSanction this postReply
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Kurt,

I agree! I can see myself using the Rat analogy very often in the future.

Ed,

Thanks for clearing that up for me. That answered my question dead on!!! :)

Thank you for taking the time to answer my post.

WA


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Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 1:03amSanction this postReply
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I took a philosophy of art class in college.  I mentioned to my TA that I'd like to discuss some of Ayn Rand's ideas in my final paper, and he told me that Ayn Rand is "basically a Kantian."

In a college creative writing class, I mentioned Ayn Rand's novels.  The professor said a few things about her, then said it's funny that she "ended up as a survivalist--living out in the woods."


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Thursday, December 1, 2005 - 1:44pmSanction this postReply
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You're quite welcome, William.

Ed


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