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Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 7:50amSanction this postReply
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Hi all,

I want to know whether O'ists espouse or reject the principle of universalization in ethics. For those who are unfamiliar with the term, here's how universalization traditionally works:

1. Pick a principle.
2. Think of what would happen if everyone were to adopt that principle.
3. Determine whether that principle is compromised under 2.
4. If the principle is compromised, discard it.
5. If the principle is uncompromised, allow it.

Jordan


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Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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I would be surprised to learn of a single ethical principle of Objectivism that is not universal. 
 
That word "universal" means more than just "the people you see on the street."  I expect that Objectivist ethical princples will be what makes it possible for dolphins to guide spaceships crewed by a wide range of intelligent species, self-aware life forms, and volitional creatures.  The ship's "software" will probably have legally recognized natural rights. 
 
Objectivism is a universal philosophy.  Reality is real.  Existence exists.  A is A.  Those truths are not "local."  From metaphysics, to epistemology, to ethics, to politics, to aesthetics, Objectivism is intended to discover, identify, and apply universal truths.
 

 
 
 


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Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 9:41amSanction this postReply
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The principles are universal, but the exercise of moral judgement, hence ethics, is contextual. Jordan's statement #2 is too broad.
Think of what would happen if everyone were to adopt that principle.
Only when the various permutations of contexts are isolated and distinguished can it be determined that the principle has been compromised. This makes objectivist jurisprudence hard, even if the objectivist principles are themselves simple.

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Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 1:49pmSanction this postReply
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Num++,

If principles read, 'every X ought Y to achieve Z,' then the my statement #2 would be too broad, or at least incomplete. But if principles read, 'every X ought Y in C to achieve Z,' where C is a set of conditions (i.e., a context), then I'd think it just right. Would you agree?

Sort of related to my original post: Assuming that O'ists accept universalization, does the O'ist view of universalization differ at all from Kant's? I know Kant's ethics in total does not align with O'ist ethics; I'm just wondering if there's overlap with this one aspect. There certainly is overlap in other aspects.

Jordan


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Monday, November 14, 2005 - 10:59pmSanction this postReply
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Hi there,

I am a novice in this area, I need some help on universalization in regards to theories of ethics. What doe it mean and how do you apply it to ethical decision making?

Vince


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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 12:17amSanction this postReply
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M&M:

"I expect that Objectivist ethical princples will be what makes it possible for dolphins to guide spaceships crewed by a wide range of intelligent species, self-aware life forms, and volitional creatures. The ship's "software" will probably have legally recognized natural rights. "

Holy Christ Almighty! I thought I was a having a heroin withdrawal flashback... but then I realised I've never used the drug.

Num++ (is that part of a loop?):

"The principles are universal, but the exercise of moral judgement, hence ethics, is contextual. Jordan's statement #2 is too broad."

Actually, #2 & #3 are part of a nasty little feedback loop that would drive the insane back to sanity and then straight off the edge of a cliff...

Ross

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Tuesday, November 15, 2005 - 4:24amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Rotendella asked for help "on universalization in regards to theories of ethics."

As ethics is formally taught today, universalism is as described in Post 0. 

However, from the material I have been presented in a college class, I recommend that instead of "principle"  start with "action."  The purpose of ethical universalism is to determine whether actions can be abstracted into principles.  You give a dollar to a panhandler.  What if everyone did it?  You don't feel like going to work and call in sick.  What if everyone did it?  You miss dinner with your family to stay late at work and finish a task.  What if everyone did it?

This method is ascribed to Immanuel Kant.  He said that you should always act as though your choices would become universal laws. 

In terms of modern teaching, "universalism" is a kind of "formalism."  This class of theories starts with truths and applies them to human action.  Killing is always wrong, therefore, thou shalt not.   

As I pointed out in Post 1, Objectivism is a "universalist" philosophy.  We assume that these truths are good for all rational, volitional creatures in all times and places.  To the question, "What if everyone did it?" We answer, "We hope they do!"


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