| | "Since we've put our stolen money into the system as well, we can say "oh, but I'm simply getting what I've paid for." And the vital services that are paid for by my extorted cash has never been much of a big deal to me, so long as they do their job well, and cheaply. "
we have a progressive tax system (in the u.s. anyway, i dunno where you're from). that means that the more you make, the more taxes you pay. so while everyone gets basically the same service from the police, military, and courts, not all pay an equal share.
also, considering anti-trust laws, and things like big tobacco law suits, some of the people who pay the most for those services are having them used (unjustly) against them.
but that's just an aside really.
i think we should have police, courts, and military.
i was arguing against public schools.
as for people who payed for the services... i'm sure plenty of welfare recipients have payed *some* money into the system, so they could say that same thing you said (just gettting what they paid for). i don't agree of course, but that's just to show the invalidity of that idea.
"If a thief steals your money, gives a random person the money and makes sure they know it was stolen, the random man is immoral if he accepts the cash."
with welfare, there is no option of giving the money back to the people it was stolen from. it's going to be used either way.
"Services such as welfare are a decaying burden on all taxpayers, and cannot ever be called moral in any shape or form, along with those who utilize them and perpetuate them. Ever! LoL."
first off, i don't think welfare is moral. at all. i think it should be done away with.
but, you say people who use such services are not moral. i ask then, do you use public roads? did you attend public school?
how about public water companies? or the services of the fda?
you had no part in setting up the system that way? well neither did many welfare recipients. they may be just as much victims of our mixed economy as tax payers are. with free, leave alone capitalism, they could probably get more and better jobs and such. but because of the mixed economy, they may not have another choice but to accept welfare (except to die...).
it is evil to advocate the continuation or expansion of these programs. but to accept the benefits? look in the mirror. you may not have a choice in the matter, but neither did plenty of welfare recipients.
it may seem from my stance that i'm responding in defense of my own actions. in a way i am: i go to public school. as far as i'm concerned, they are the same, morally (public schools, and welfare).
does it matter that one comes in the form of money, and the other in the form of a service? how could that matter?
i re-assert: if you damn welfare recipients, then you damn all public school goers (and probably yourselves as well).
we didn't set up the system of tax theft. many of us are its victims.
don't let the gov't confuse you when it points to hungry children as its excuse to rob you. don't forget where the blame lies.
well, speaking of long boring posts...
:)
eli
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