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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 12:41pmSanction this postReply
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Has anyone ever seen an "objectivist" tattoo of any kind? I saw a picture of Sciabarra with some guy who had a tattoo of Ayn Rand on his arm. That's NOT what I'm talking about (i.e. idolatry).

I'm thinking something along the lines of the image displayed on ARI's index page...the guy holding the ball of light. Somebody has to have drawn up a few designs which represent objectivist principles.

Drop me an email at lsbrad@yahoo.com if you know of anything. Thanks,
Brad

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 2:16pmSanction this postReply
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Brad, I don't think there's any reason to accuse Glenn Lamont of idolatry.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 2:38pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, MJC,

I've always understood "idolatry" to mean adoration, veneration, adulation and reverance, so I took that quite well. Apparently, she did come up with some quite good ideas.

Although I would be interested to hear of a better, single image representing Objectivism than Ayn Rand.

G.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 3:34pmSanction this postReply
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Would you not agree that the unpopularity of the Ayn Rand Institute is attributable to its worship of the woman instead of appreciation for the ideas espoused by her? I would have hesitated to get such a tattoo for all the same reasons I disagree with the ARI. Objectivism is presented as "true" and since, as Rand herself pointed out, nobody has a monopoly on the truth, it seems unnecessary to promote the woman instead of the truth itself. I feel this is the approach TOC has taken and I appreciate the institution for that.

As for Rand "coming up" with good ideas, I would play the devil's advocate by pointing out that her entire philosophy is based upon Aristotelianism, i.e. Law of identity, excluded middle, all that. Moreover, I have found many of Rand's arguments in Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica. I have also found a moral defense of laissez faire capitalism in Adam Smith's work. So I question how original many of her ideas really are.

To the extent that Rand "discovered" these earlier ideas, repackaged them, and presented them to a new generation of students, she should be applauded. But honoring "truth" with a tattoo of Ayn Rand borders on idolatry in my opinion.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 4:00pmSanction this postReply
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I agree that there are some within Objectivism who, with a self-deceptive appeal to authority, work on the implicit premise that whatever Rand said must be true, no matter what it was, no matter what context. However, this doesn't apply to me. If you’d spent a little more time on this site, you’d be aware of that.

In saying that, I believe that Objectivists owe a mighty debt of gratitude to Ayn Rand. Certainly, she borrowed from other thinkers, but she was indeed the first to formulate and integrate these ideas into an original and unique philosophy for life that most who visit this site have benefited greatly from. And the first to present them with such clarity and passion as she did in her works. That’s what brought the ideas you mention to my life and that’s why I choose to honor her in the way I have.

You'd do well to avoid psychologizing on the basis of appearance in the absence of facts. Good luck with your responses.

G.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 6:26pmSanction this postReply
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Look, you're free to put whatever you want on your body in honor of anyone/thing you please. I was simply inquiring about something and wanted to distinguish it from something else that could easily be mistaken for it. That's all. No big deal. So you have Ayn Rand on your arm. Good for you.

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Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 8:10pmSanction this postReply
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When I was looking for something to symbolise my beliefs, I chose a dollar sign. It is only one tattoo among others so I didn't want to go for something very large and detailed. I think that Glenn's tattoo of Ayn Rand is gorgeous, though.

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Thursday, March 6, 2003 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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Brad, you're being mean to Glenn. Knock it off. Although he is a filthy, filthy idolator...has anyone mentioned his secret Ayn Rand chapel, at which he sacrifices the lives of chickens and other tiny animals to a craven image of Rand, the Aristotalian Plagarist? Other than that, he's a great guy, tho'(the foregoing is a joke, for the humor-challenged)

I remember fondly our breakfast discussion on that very issue, Ash! I guess we didn't ever come to a conclusion...

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Thursday, March 6, 2003 - 3:55pmSanction this postReply
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I don't know...I'm just reminded of the original objectivist crowd who allegedly walked around smoking from cigarette holders and wearing long, black capes (D'Anconia style...). What a hoot that must have been!

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Thursday, March 6, 2003 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Besides the coast-to-coast chicken-sacrificing chapel franchise, I also have a syndicated evangelical TV show, called 'Good Premises! with Glenn Lamont' Unfortunately, it screens early in the morning, which we all know is immoral-o'clock... :)

G.

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Saturday, March 8, 2003 - 7:38amSanction this postReply
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This is exciting! Now you have material for at least for one segment of your show. Ask your listeners whether they would have gotten a tattoo of Ayn Rand herself as opposed to, say, atlas shrugging, a dollar sign, or some other "abstract" symbol that represents objectivism in its entirety. You will probably hear about a few objectivist tattoos and you can tell us all about them. Then we could actually answer my initial question which has somehow been lost amid all the talk of chicken-sacrificing chapels, and ayn rand worship in general.

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Saturday, March 8, 2003 - 9:53pmSanction this postReply
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Personally, I think getting a tattoo of another person is disrespectful to yourself. Can you imagine John Galt or Howard Roark getting a tat of someone else on them?

Hey, that's a new idea. WWAD? What Would Ayn Do? :-)

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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I don't think a real Howard Roark and Ayn Rand would have gotten along at all...let alone him getting a tattoo of her.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 12:15pmSanction this postReply
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Oh I agree. As much as I admire Rand and am rateful for her works, she really came off as a first-class bitch.

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 12:15pmSanction this postReply
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Well, that should have rad "grateful" of course. :-)

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 12:16pmSanction this postReply
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Well, that should have read "grateful" of course. :-)

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 12:16pmSanction this postReply
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Something is wrong here! And I'm not drunk!

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 1:46pmSanction this postReply
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Have you seen the movie "Swingers" where the guy leaves a message on the girl's answer maching...

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 1:53pmSanction this postReply
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hahahaha

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Sunday, March 9, 2003 - 5:47pmSanction this postReply
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who was talking about getting off track?...we did indeed have a conversation about this at SOLOC 1.5 in NYC, and we generally agreed that Atlas with the earth on his shoulders wouldn't be that great as it would kind of symbolize for all eternity Atlas *not* having Shrugged. We threw around Atlas sitting on the earth, tossing the earth, or spinning the earth on his finger, but the more we talked about it the more esoteric it became. Scott is right...we never really came up with anything.

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