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Saturday, February 7, 2004 - 9:01amSanction this postReply
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I am confused about the rape scene in "The Fountainhead." If Ms. Rand created Howard Roark to be an Ideal Man, why did she choose to have him use force against Dominique? How can a rapist be admired?

It's even more disturbing when Rand suggests that Dominique WANTED to be raped. And somehow Roark is supposed to have known this, though her twisted desire was never communicated verbally. I would guess that many rapists assume their victim wants to be raped, but their assumption doesn't justify their action.

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Saturday, February 7, 2004 - 5:52pmSanction this postReply
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I must admit, I had similar confusion after reading the scene.

First, you must realize that it is fiction.

I believe that it was consentual. First evidence: they have a passionate relationship afterwards; not something you would expect from a rapist and a victim.

Dominique never has to say what she wants verbally in order to indicate her consent. Couples often don't need to express their desires verbally before making love--it is assumed. Dominique leaves many non-verbal hints that indicate her consent: inviting him up to fix the fireplace, which was never broken, her constant staring at him, etc.

If Dominique had cried "rape" afterwards, Roark would have been made accountable. He was making a bold move based on his evidence that she did indeed want him.

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Monday, February 9, 2004 - 9:25amSanction this postReply
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If consentual can mean never giving verbal consent, while physically fighting to keep the perpetrator off of you, then I guess Dominique gave her consent! All I know is that, as Tommy said, if after the incident she had chosen to report it, Roark would have (and should have) been convicted. And my question is, "What kind of a hero is that?"

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Monday, February 9, 2004 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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Quote: "What kind of a hero is that?"

Are you questioning your thinking? Don't do it unnecessarily. The answer is he is not a hero, and I am sure you understand that.

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Monday, February 9, 2004 - 11:21amSanction this postReply
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Rand answered the question of the "rape" scene in the Fountainhead with the following comment, "if it was rape then it was rape by engraved invitation." What was being portrayed was not rape but a fiercely passionate "lust at first sight" type of attraction. In essence, Dominique was so excited by Roark's whole person that she gave him sexual consent from the first moments at the quarry. The rest was as they say a mere formality.

Now this is not the way it happens for most people so the natural inclination is to view the scene as rape. But to do that is to miss the passion of the characters. If you view the scene as rape then you can't view Roark as a hero, hence the story is pointless. You then miss out on one of the greatest literary masterpieces of all time.

Rough sex at first (or near first) encounter was used by Rand elsewhere in her fiction. In The Night of Jan 16th, a similar "sex at first sight" episode existed. Violent passion was a theme for Rand. I believe it was her way of showing the character's passion for values and life. Dagny's sex scene with Reardon had violent (rough sex)overtones to it and lets not forget that Galt and Dagny did it on dusty old saddle bags in the tunnels of Grand Central Station! Rand held nothing back from her sex scenes.

For a good discussion of Rand's sex scenes read the various articles in Sciabarra's Feminist Inerpretations of Ayn Rand. The Fountainhead scene is analyzed by several writers (with most of them contributing very interesting and useful thoughts on the scene).

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