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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 4:06pmSanction this postReply
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This is horrible.  Even if that outfit is a "militia" (which I seriously doubt, but I don't have much of a problem with militias anyway) individuals are still free to associate with whomever they choose.   


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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 4:51pmSanction this postReply
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I did some looking into the group. They seem straightforward enough, and their 10 point agenda looks like a reasonable plan. This is very disturbing indeed.

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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 5:23pmSanction this postReply
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That's a unbelievable! There must be some other reason they took the child. If not, the state has quite literally stole someone's child.

As far as I understand Oath Keepers, they are more for limiting use of force, not increasing the use of force. It doesn't make any sense that they would take the baby for this.

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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 5:51pmSanction this postReply
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I keep thinking the same thing Dean...waiting for the other shoe to drop. Like there is something else going on with the parents.

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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 5:54pmSanction this postReply
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The article said there was a list of allegations, some disturbing.  It wouldn't list them in order to protect the family, but it also has the convenient side-effect of making this connection seem to be the primary justification as well as making it impossible to verify anything about it.

The story certainly sounds bad, but the missing information is crucial.  The family seems to be accused of actual child abuse, and who knows what else.  Whatever reference to Oath Keepers seems incidental, and is being used to make it seem like this is happening for ideological reasons, instead of for straightforward abuse.

We don't know what the facts are.  We don't know what the list of accusations are.  We don't know in what context the connection to Oath Breakers was described.  Far from being an informative article, it simply creates a self-serving impression that the government took custody of the child purely based on an association.  The few facts presented refute that impression.  Whether the family is actually guilty of any of the allegations is another story, but it seems at least that the actual reasons for taking custody of the baby are more numerous and serious than this article suggests.


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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 6:05pmSanction this postReply
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Oath Keepers has Bill Whittle's seal of approval. They're loyal Constitutionalists.



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Monday, October 11, 2010 - 6:16pmSanction this postReply
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Good analysis Joe...the missing info is crucial to the story (once the emotion is stripped away)

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Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 3:40amSanction this postReply
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Sancton Joe!

I read the headline and had one reaction, then I read the full article and had another. You analysis is very good!

Regards,

Ethan


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Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 10:10amSanction this postReply
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I honestly don't trust that site.  That source is extremely agenda driven and conspiracy driven.  Even though I have some of the same fears they do, I would prefer more factual reports.  Find this event in another news source to see more of the picture.

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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A quick Googling of "jonathon irish oath keeper" brought up, as far as I looked, only fringey little sites and blogs.  Nobody in the news business takes the story seriously.

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Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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If there is any merit to this, Alex Jones has tainted it for years and years. 

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