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Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 7:01amSanction this postReply
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The summer of 2002 brought the nadir of the Dot.Com Meltdown.  The autumn of 2006 opened the mortgage meltdown which revealed the bankruptcy of two automotive giants. 

Educational credentials are an asset when seeking employment.  Even under rational circumstances, constant training and retraining is a consequence of a healthy, expanding economy.  This time, however, so many thousands of automotive employees took "early retirement" that local colleges and universities here in southeast Michigan opened special programs just for them. Add to them millions of others sold on the idea that a college certificate or degree is the gateway to a job. 

That no one is "training" entrepreneurs is a different problem, as well.  They cannot be "trained" of course, but that aside, these colleges and universities are not intellectually capable of perceiving the problem. Therefore, they cannot solve it.  And so no amount of training can get you a job that does not exist in the first place.

Those who advocate educational vouchers, should consider these facts.  The horrific default rates at private schools are a direct consequence of their superior marketing, admittedly, to consumers who are not intellectually prepared to think through the marginal utilities and production possibilities.  In other words, with an easy pipeline to money, the private schools sell pipedreams.

Public education being what it is, of course, the fact is that here in Washtenaw County (as in many other places) the community college is funded primarily by property taxes, voted on in open elections, which is how the board of trustees is chosen.   The school is nominially inexpensive because the true costs are paid by others.  Still and all, those costs are paid.

These so-called "government" loans are actually from private sources, banks, essentially.  Sallie Mae is a private organization, a kind of reseller of loans.
Sallie Mae manages $182 billion in education loans and serves 10 million student and parent customers. ...  Sallie Mae is listed on the Fortune 500 and is one of the Top Innovators in IT according to InformationWeek.    http://www.salliemae.com/about/


Unpaid loans are direct losses.  There are many government programs, but the general truth is that the government only guarantees the interest, not the principle.  Stafford Loans are from government.  Defaults are absorbed in the general budget.


(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 7/14, 7:04am)


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Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 9:43pmSanction this postReply
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Government money drives up the cost of education just as it drives up the cost of medicine. Businesses in these areas expand their costs to suck in as much of this money as possible. All these loans should be defaulted on. Maybe then the nonsense would be stopped.

--Brant


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Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 5:07amSanction this postReply
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I have been working through problems in an online modern economics textbook to refresh my memory for an upcoming graduate course in managerial economics. One section discusses "externalized benefits" which is a new term for me. Whereas "externalized costs" involve activities such as pollution by some that cost others, "externalized benefits" involve activities such as private education by some that benefit others. The book argues in favor of government subsidies to such activities so that total participation will reach an "efficient" level at which the external marginal benefits equal the marginal subsidy costs.

I understand this well enough to get the "right" textbook answers but have profound philosophical issues with the notions the book advances!

For anyone who cares, I drew this from http://www.myeconlab.com Bade/Parkin: Foundations of Economics 4e Section 10.2 on "Positive Externalities: Knowledge."

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Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 1:09pmSanction this postReply
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Like a relative of Gresham's law: Any application of a government subsidies to externalized benefits will convert them into externalized costs.

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Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 2:32pmSanction this postReply
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Like a relative of Gresham's law: Any application of a government subsidies to externalized benefits will convert them into externalized costs.
Ha, good one.

Subsidy Versus Investment


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Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 2:42pmSanction this postReply
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Michael:

The horrific default rates at private schools

Do default rates correlate with total loan amount, and do total loan amounts correlate with private/public?

If so, then by throwing a massive amount of public money at private schools, we could subsidize those loan losses, and have similar default rates(effectively by pre-paying the default losses across the board.)

That is, via subsidy, by institutionalizing default losses.

regards,
Fred


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Friday, July 16, 2010 - 4:36amSanction this postReply
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Hey, Merlin, thanks for posting that link to your article from last year. I missed it then but read and sanctioned it now. Very good!

Although I did benefit from my two years at a notable state residential high school, I have never seen a financial analysis done showing its cost effectiveness. I doubt I ever will. Especially with the Internet now widely available, many of the supposed benefits to taxpayers of such an institution deserve close scrutiny.

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Friday, July 16, 2010 - 5:22amSanction this postReply
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It's not really the education that's involved - it's the power of rule, the Deweyesque 'molding' of the minds', the comprachico mental approach...

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Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:08pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Luke. There is a 2nd part, too.
Subsidy Versus Investment, Part 2


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