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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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Excellent. Thanks for posting this Ted. The hour goes very quickly. I have one of Richard Epstein's books "Takings". Most of it way over my head. His references would take me years to read and I'm afraid I would need to read and understand all of them. Life is too short. I really liked his comments on this podcast. I'm going to look up Mitch Daniels. He sounds too good to be true.

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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 3:20pmSanction this postReply
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With his New York accent Epstein sounds like he should be an east coast liberal, somewhere to the left of Schumer. I had heard of the book Takings, but didn't realize it was his. He was a great guest. I remember Mitch Daniels' name connected with the Office of Management and Budget in the Reagan Administration. All three of these Ricochet podcasts are quite excellent.

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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 4:02pmSanction this postReply
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I have several of Epstein's books, and have found them all very interesting reads - and true, they're not light reading, as he meticulously builds his cases and often requires concentrated effort to grasping his contentions, good as most of them are...

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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 5:24pmSanction this postReply
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Which are his two best?

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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 6:01pmSanction this postReply
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I have 7 of his books which, judging from Amazon is about a third of his output [A Theory of Strict Liability seems his earliest and is a Cato book, Takings, which is one of my faves tho I don't agree with some of his positions {am not yet convinced eminent domain is a necessity], Forbidden Grounds argues against employment discrimination laws and I found his arguments compelling, Bargaining with the State is a sequel to Takings which had argued that said clause invalidated most forms of economic regulation and most major welfare programs of the New Deal, and which this book examines the power of government to selectively distribute benefits and how to seek balancing as he says, the 'bitter with the sweet', that there are limits of government powers; Simple Rules for a Complex World is interesting in its stressing common law in solving many problems, Mortal Peril is timely of today - asking is there a right to health care, refuting it soundly, Principles for a Free Society discusses the proper role of government in a free society and is not one of my fave, as he is not a full laissez-faire person [he does not hold for complete separation of government and economics] and as such I have much disagreement with some of his positions...

All are, as said, interesting, and only Simple Rules is rather easy to read, but if had to pick just two - would say Takings and Forbidden Grounds ... ye have to remember when the books came out, they were more controversial than are now - some of his views have, ye might say, become 'common', especially the stuff in Mortal Peril...
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Monday, February 15, 2010 - 6:52pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks. The book on common law sounds most interesting to me, but the local library has only How Progressives rewrite the Constitution, so I will start with that.

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Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 5:29pmSanction this postReply
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What a great, and entertaining interview!  I've never heard anyone think so clearly out loud, on his feet, and on the fly as Epstein. Amazing.

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Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 4:32amSanction this postReply
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The brilliance of Epstein was on display last evening in PBS Newshour interview concerning taxes and egalitarianism.

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Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 7:56pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Stephen!  As always, cogent yet tractable.  It was fascinating.  Allow me to pull out one quote, which, perhaps contradicts much of the U.S. Constitution:
The last thing you would want to do in any kind of sensible society is to have a set of rules in which one man/one vote dictates over every issue.
... or any issue... In The Secret of the League by Ernest Bramah, suggested as a precursor to Atlas Shrugged, the wealthy reassert themselves by making voting dependent on the purchase of shares at 500 pounds each (like maybe $150,000 today) with no limit on the shares an individual could buy.  In short, the nation would be run like a corporation.


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Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 9:38pmSanction this postReply
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That one quote Michael pulled made sense to me.
The last thing you would want to do in any kind of sensible society is to have a set of rules in which one man/one vote dictates over every issue.
It was a statement that unfettered democracy was as great a danger to liberty as any other tyranny. We wouldn't want for a majority vote of the people to do away with freedom of speech, anymore than we would want it eliminated by legislative action or executive order. The constitution is exactly the antidote to run-away democracy. It limits what can be done, by democratic or representative government.

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Thursday, October 27, 2011 - 10:58pmSanction this postReply
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That was a great interview thanks for sharing it Stephen.

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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 - 11:16amSanction this postReply
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Epstein writes on the differences between classical liberalism and libertarianism here.



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Tuesday, February 4, 2014 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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Stephen,

 

From reading his article, it sounds to me like "libertarian" thought is mostly about the ideal, while "classical liberal" thought is mostly about what can be practically accomplished.  I think both perspectives need be taken by a person: libertarian to debunk poor policies, and classical liberal to move our current system towards a more optimal one.

 

One thing I'd point out about libertarian thought is that practitioners often don't emphasize the magnitude of various problems...  and often focus on trivials.  Or maybe its the socialists who try to shift the topic to marginal issues?



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Wednesday, February 5, 2014 - 1:08pmSanction this postReply
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In the nineteenth century, the principle of universal sufferage gained impetus and was passed peacemeal in every European country at the point of a gun.

 

In places such as Russia, the movement lost; in France, after the events of 1871, they won. England, for its part, was racked by rioting all throught the early part of the century.

 

America is a bit of an exception; the 1828 law was passed only with threats...

 

So my question is this: exactly what kind of fascist military dictarorship would certain 'objecrtivists' support in order to turn back the clock some 200 years? or are they simply ignorant of history?

 

 



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Wednesday, February 5, 2014 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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Eva,

So my question is this: exactly what kind of fascist military dictarorship would certain 'objecrtivists' support in order to turn back the clock some 200 years? or are they simply ignorant of history?

What would make you think you deserve an answer to a crappy question that is really nothing but an ugly insult?  You might have one or two particular individuals in mind, but unless you show the honesty and courage to name them, you end blasting all Objectivists.

 

You want to call Objectivists jerks?  You want to equate them supporters of fascist military dictatorships?  You think that observing the constitution means eliminating the very rights that the constitution has brought in being?  If you want to honestly  expose ignorance of history you need to say who is being ignorant and of what historical fact.  Why in the world would you make a statement like that?



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Wednesday, February 5, 2014 - 8:31pmSanction this postReply
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Okay, Steve & everyone, here's a question:

 

In the next election, Americans openly vote to adapt a French model, in which taxes are raised back to pre-1976 levels, or what they presently are in Europe. Basically, that's double at the upper end with a rather steep slope getting there.

 

That means universal health care, education, etc, as well a written proviso the the government has a right to seize large economic properties if deemed necessary.

 

The motto, as in France, is that the economoy belong s to the people, the state is the ultimate overseer, and property titles are given if and only if they contribute to the general welfare.

 

Immediately, the opposition mounts a campaign to re-introduce propery ownership (per Michael's post) as the pre-requisite to voting. Their reasoning is simple, open, and and direct: without a property-less majority, the bills would not have gotten through.

 

Who would you support?

 

Next question: because the campaign is a failure, the opposition turns to the military to explore the possibilities of a coup d'etat.

The solution, according to the opposition, is that no one will  vote.

 

Who do you support?

 

Eva



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Thursday, February 6, 2014 - 6:58amSanction this postReply
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As children, the little plastic bowling pins were on hinges, in a kind of a rack.  We would set them up, and then knock them down.   Not that real bowling is that much different; they are both set them up and knock them down games.

 

Bowling anyone?

 

 



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Thursday, February 6, 2014 - 7:28amSanction this postReply
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I would assume that in the scenario I described, you'd support a military coup.

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Thursday, February 6, 2014 - 8:06amSanction this postReply
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...'the' economy .... 'the' people ...   'the' general welfare ('the' Golden Keys to emperor wannabees...)

 

Once again, an illustration of how deeply 'the' singular has been ingrained; unable to even setup 'the' bowling pins in terms of pluralities.

 

Your example still begs the question; what is it about socialism that demands forced association on a national scale?   In a free market society, if 95% of the nation wants to construct co-ops and non-profits and community run businesses, more power to them. What is stopping any of that? The ethical question is, on what ethical basis to the 95% force the assocaition of the 5% who politely say "No, thank you" to their peers, once living in freedom?  Where is the ethical sanction to beat the 5% over the head and force their participation in kumbaya dream world?

 

ie, why must socialism be 'national socialism?'    Is there some special need?  Some want?  Some got to have it element that makes it a necessity?

 

Because as close as I can tell, that element is the lives of the unwilling.   It doesn't look any better when we call that 'slavery' .,. nor any worse.

 

 

The 95%/5% truly makes no sense, especially given the labor theories of where value comes from.     Let's say, politically, the 95% convince government to simply print dollar bills and hand it out to the 95%.  (Already done that here.)    Then, all that is left to make this work is, the labor theory of value to erupt.   The people who 'really' drive our economies just get busy and drive their economies.  Everyone is happy.  So what are the 95% possibly waiting for?  

 

Who is it they are waiting for?   It can't be the 5% -- they add no value, we are told.   So then, what?   Why would the forced association of the 5% be necessary to make this great idea fly?  The 95% can get busy creating all value in their 'the' economy and circulate value; they don't need the 5%.  So what is holding them back?   They should get busy and stop waiting for whatever it is they are waiting for.   I will cheer them on(and have for 30+ years, to a virtually empty arena.  I've long stopped waiting for the crowds to show up; they are still waiting for something.  No idea what that is. )

 

We should try this great idea in health care(we are.)   Let's put a gun to a brain surgeon's head, tell him what we unilaterally decide is sufficient for him to perform our much needed brain operations(we present our Holy needs as out ethical foundation), and then see how this works out.  We can start early in grade school, and convince those with aptitude that it is their duty to hit the books and serve the needs of those louts in the back of the classroom throwing spitballs.

 

Sounds like a plan; it's the one we are in the middle of.  Should work out fine.   Selling hollow political promises to the spitball louts is painless, they will sell their vote for next to nothing(Hope and Change and poses by posers...)   If and when they ever manage to make it to L'es Mis to weep about social justice, why, they won't even notice that the tickets sell for $125 a pop.   If they do, well, they can laugh about if at Gallagher's over a $100 steak. (Actually, no more; that restaurant that once weathered the Great Depression was unable to make it through the Obama Recovery...)

 

There is no ethical obligation to obey laws that themselves have no ethical foundation.  Those that can, will and do.   That includes, dodge clumsy forks by the tribe that have no other ethical foundation other than the brute force of numbers.     Which has always resulted in resort to brute force, period, as the tribe's final act of impotent rage.  But that is violence of agression, not violence of defense.  They are not the same.

 

Polite tribal organization is based on free association; polite incantations justifying forced association are hardly polite in the least.

 

regards,

Fred

 

(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 2/06, 8:10am)



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Thursday, February 6, 2014 - 8:19amSanction this postReply
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You would assume a lot over there on your bowling lane.

 

Here, let me set up a two choice world; not mine, some other idiot dreamed this one up.   It is supposed to tell you something about your commitment to altruism and so on.

 

There is a button in front of you.   If you press it within the next ten seconds, everyone in the world is destroyed except those you know and love.   If you don't press it within the next ten seconds, then only those you know and love are destroyed, and the balance of the world is spared.

 

What would you do? 

 

Without a moment's hesitation, I would press the button, and sleep like a baby, knowing that the responsibility for the outcome was the monster who built that button and made that my only choice.  With any luck, pressing the button takes him out, too.

 

The only lesson in that cooked example, and it is obvious to me is, "Don't build one button worlds."

 

regards,

Fred

 

(Edited by Fred Bartlett on 2/06, 8:31am)



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