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Post 100

Sunday, September 7, 2008 - 1:55pmSanction this postReply
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Posts #95 and #96 were both wonderful.

I wanted to say a great deal about my own reaction to Governor Palin, (especially as some other posters have been curious about female RoR members' thoughts.)

However, it's all pretty much been said---in several different threads here.

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Post 101

Sunday, September 7, 2008 - 8:09pmSanction this postReply
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"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -- John Quincy Adams

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Post 102

Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 5:09amSanction this postReply
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Sarah Palin, zealot or free marketeer?

From TIA Daily:

"When she became governor of Alaska, she asked her childhood pastor for a verse from the Bible. Did she ask about the Bible's view on birth control, or homosexuality, or taxes, or any overtly political topic? No, he says, "She asked for a biblical example of people who were great leaders and what was the secret of their leadership." That's more Steven Covey than Jerry Falwell.

"Barack Obama's religious associations—think of Jeremiah Wright and his "black liberation theology"—are much more disturbing.

"Moreover, Governor Palin has soft-pedaled her religious views so far in the campaign. In the big speech that introduced her at the Republican convention, she didn't even mention abortion. In Charles Gibson's ABC interview, when he misquoted her as saying that the Iraq war was "a task that is from God," she replied that "I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words." And when asked what she thinks God's plan for the world is, her reply was very revealing: "I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan…[is] for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Which is to say that she agrees with John Locke and Thomas Jefferson. This is the typical American "religion of the pursuit of happiness"—the combination of religious faith with the Enlightenment view of happiness as the proper goal of human life and freedom as the essence of the proper political system.

"In short, if Palin has a radical religious agenda, it remains unstated.

"If she is not a religious zealot, is Governor Palin a pro-free-marketer? Evidence for this comes from the refutation of an early rumor that Palin campaigned for the arch-religious conservative Pat Buchanan in 1996; in fact, she campaigned for Steve Forbes, the most pro-free-market candidate in that year's Republican primary."

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Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 10:47amSanction this postReply
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The above makes me feel even better about Palin. Thanks!

Post 104

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 12:24pmSanction this postReply
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwkb9_zB2Pg

This disturbs me.  This women is insane if she participates in this stuff.


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Post 105

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

I'm deeply opposed to the religious right for moving our country away from intellectual freedom, for violating the separation of church and state, and bringing intellectual idiocy out in public as if it were an objective value... And, I'm opposed to Obama, who is one of the first from the far left to strongly endorse faith-based organizations joining in feeding at the public trough.

But this video is just an example of political campaign lies. Contrary to what it implies, Palin doesn't believe in witchcraft. That guy was a visiting preacher - visiting this country from Africa - and in Africa witchcraft is as real to them as Jesus, Heaven and Hell are to American Christians.

Here is an article on that video.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 7:07pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Steve. The article makes me feel a teeny bit better...but...that Sarah Palin participates in that sort of exhibition of superstitious nonsense at all makes me a little ill. "One heartbeat away from the presidency" and all. Of course, given the choices I'm voting for McCain. This presidential race is looking alot like a destruction derby. The "winner" at the end is a broken down wreck, hardly able to move.

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Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 7:37pmSanction this postReply
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Mike,

I like what I see about Sarah Palin, but just the authenticity, and loyalty to ideas over party and her gutsiness - but I think she is an intellectual light-weight and I have a hard time believing the degree of religious fervor that exists in politics in recent years. These candidates are so bad over-all (Obama, Biden and McCain) that I'm not voting for either of them.

And, from the outside, almost all of the religious ritual and beliefs look really weird: Communion is eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood, Confessing and saying hail Marys, Concepts like original sin, burning in Hell, rising from the dead, the Rapture, reincarnation, holy cattle.... Witches seem less weird in objective terms than exorcism, angels, St. Peter meeting you at the pearly gates...



(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 9/30, 7:47pm)


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Wednesday, October 1, 2008 - 1:07pmSanction this postReply
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(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 10/01, 1:07pm)


Post 109

Wednesday, October 1, 2008 - 1:07pmSanction this postReply
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Mike, honest, given the immediate subject, when I scanned your post, I read "Of course, given the choices I'm voting for McCain." as "... given the voices I'm hearing for McCain"    (:-)


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Wednesday, October 1, 2008 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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Tomorrow is the first, and I understand only, debate between Palin and Biden. From what I hear the moderator, PBS' Gwen Ifill, is massively biased in favor of Obama. She is the author of a book, "The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama," that I hear is gushing hero worship. The book won't come out until next January and if Obama wins it will sell in big numbers and if he loses I expect the numbers will be very small. So it isn't like she has a 6 figure or more financial interest in having this debate make Palin look totally unfit for office.

Then there are the rules changes that were pushed through. It looks like they took away a lot of structure to favor longer and less directed responses. The Democrats seem to be smirking over that and McCain's camp is acting nervous and complaining about it. Me, I think if she stays honest, authentic, centered and says what she thinks instead of trying to fit a bunch of memorized sound-bites into each turn, she'll do fine and Biden is more likely to implode given more rope. If she can't handle this, then she shouldn't be a heart-beat away, given McCain's age and medical history.

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Wednesday, October 1, 2008 - 7:58pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, I agree about Biden. He's arrogant and a pretty nasty character. I laughed out loud when I heard he was Obama's vp choice. The more he gets to talk the worse he'll come across. Maybe Palin's strategy will be to try to bring that out. I'm going to watch this debate with some interest. Should be entertaining.

Michael, I don't hear many voices for McCain. I probably shouldn't have made reference to "broken down wreck" right after McCain's name. I wasn't referring to him directly but to both campaigns. Biden has plenty of dents, blows a lot of steam and is ready to break down at any minute. I definitely prefer McCain to Obama. He will at least be an acceptable commander-in-chief. I'm just sorry he's somewhat of an economic illiterate.

I should have put a comma to make a more readable sentence. You couldn't tell I write technical reports for a living.

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