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Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 4:31pmSanction this postReply
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Then I think David Horowitz should put down his pen and take up arms. If he wants to join the Israeli army or any other army, that is his choice.

Of course, he would eventually get kicked out of any army he joined. Generally, military leaders don't like soldiers who think they know everything.


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Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 5:38pmSanction this postReply
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While we’re putting money where mouths are, Chris, why don’t you go join Hezbollah.

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Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 1:33amSanction this postReply
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The pen is a mighty weapon.

I think David Horowitz is right on this one. (He certainly tells it like it is in "The Professors" -- a horror story about the traitorous professors in our universities who attempt to create internal anti-American enemies out of their students.) 

Arab hatred of Jews dates back at least to the beginning of the 20th century when Jewish refugees fled Tsarist Russia and settled in swamp land that no one wanted. (Many perished of malaria.)  
I imagine that the hatred was born of Jihad and fueled by envy of forward-looking Europeans. 


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Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 2:40amSanction this postReply
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I'm with Horowitz as well. Israel has the moral right to defend itself. Freedom has the moral right to attack tyranny. The US should strongly support Israel.

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Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 8:52amSanction this postReply
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I am also in agreement with David Horowitz.

About ten years ago I decided to educate myself on the middle east. I read several books on the history of Israel and the middle east and came away with a great admiration for the Jewish people. They are many many centuries more civilized than their Islamic enemies.

I am reminded of an entry on the Biddinotto blog:

http://bidinotto.journalspace.com/?entryid=359

Does anyone have an update on Dr. Wafa Sultan?

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Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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How is this my problem?


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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 5:01amSanction this postReply
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How is this my problem?

It's not; as I've stated before, I agree with your position that we should not send our troops to fight this battle, however most of your posts seem to be rooting  for the destruction of Israel, and you still haven't explained why. I believe we should throw our moral support behind Israel.

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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:54amSanction this postReply
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Jonathan,

My hatred for a country is directly proportional to how much money in foreign aid the USA gives it. Israel gets the most, so I hate it the most.

According to Wikipedia, Wafa Sultan is alive and well. I agree with everything she says.


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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:55amSanction this postReply
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Before the US House of Representatives, October 26, 2005

 

We have been warned. Prepare for a broader war in the Middle East, as plans are being laid for the next U.S.-led regime change – in Syria. A UN report on the death of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafig Hariri elicited this comment from a senior U.S. policy maker: “Out of tragedy comes an extraordinary strategic opportunity.” This statement reflects the continued neo-conservative, Machiavellian influence on our foreign policy. The “opportunity” refers to the long-held neo-conservative plan for regime change in Syria, similar to what was carried out in Iraq.

 

This plan for remaking the Middle East has been around for a long time. Just as 9/11 served the interests of those who longed for changes in Iraq, the sensationalism surrounding Hariri’s death is being used to advance plans to remove Assad.

Congress already has assisted these plans by authorizing the sanctions placed on Syria last year. Harmful sanctions, as applied to Iraq in the 1990s, inevitably represent a major step toward war since they bring havoc to so many innocent people. Syria already has been charged with developing weapons of mass destruction based on no more evidence than was available when Iraq was similarly charged.

 

Syria has been condemned for not securing its borders, by the same U.S. leaders who cannot secure our own borders. Syria was castigated for placing its troops in Lebanon, a neighboring country, although such action was invited by an elected government and encouraged by the United States. The Syrian occupation of Lebanon elicited no suicide terrorist attacks, as was suffered by Western occupiers.

 

Condemning Syria for having troops in Lebanon seems strange, considering most of the world sees our 150,000 troops in Iraq as an unwarranted foreign occupation. Syrian troops were far more welcome in Lebanon.

 

Secretary Rice likewise sees the problems in Syria – that we helped to create – as an opportunity to advance our Middle Eastern agenda. In recent testimony she stated that it was always the administration’s intent to redesign the greater Middle East, and Iraq was only one part of that plan. And once again we have been told that all options are still on the table for dealing with Syria – including war.

 

The statement that should scare all Americans (and the world) is the assurance by Secretary Rice that the President needs no additional authority from Congress to attack Syria. She argues that authority already has been granted by the resolutions on 9/11 and Iraq. This is not true, but if Congress remains passive to the powers assumed by the executive branch it won’t matter. As the war spreads, the only role for Congress will be to provide funding lest they be criticized for not supporting the troops. In the meantime, the Constitution and our liberties here at home will be further eroded as more Americans die.

 

This escalation of conflict with Syria comes as a result of the UN report concerning the Hariri death. When we need an excuse for our actions, it’s always nice to rely on the organization that our administration routinely condemns, one that brought us the multi-billion dollar oil-for-food scandal and sexual crimes by UN representatives.

 

It’s easy to ignore the fact that the report did not implicate Assad, who is targeted for the next regime change. The UN once limited itself to disputes between nations; yet now it’s assumed the UN, like the United States, has a legal and moral right to inject itself into the internal policies of sovereign nations. Yet what is the source of this presumed wisdom? Where is the moral imperative that allows us to become the judge and jury of a domestic murder in a country 6,000 miles from our shores?

 

Moral, constitutional, and legal arguments for a less aggressive foreign policy receive little attention in Washington. But the law of unintended consequences serves as a thorough teacher for the slow learners and the morally impaired.

  • Is Iraq not yet enough of a headache for the braggarts of the shock and awe policy?
  • Are 2,000 lives lost not enough to get their attention?
  • How many hundreds of billions of dollars must be drained from our economy before it’s noticed?
  • Is it still plausible that deficits don’t matter?
  • Is the apparent victory for Iran in the Shiite theocracy we’ve created in Iraq not yet seen as a disturbing consequence of the ill-fated Iraq regime change effort?
  • When we have our way with the next election in Lebanon and Hezbollah wins, what do we do?
  • If our effort to destabilize Syria is no more successful than our efforts in Iraq, then what?
  • If destabilizing Syria leads to the same in Iran, what are our options?

If we can’t leave now, we’ll surely not leave then – we’ll be told we must stay to honor the fallen to prove the cause was just.

 

We should remember Ronald Reagan’s admonition regarding this area of the world. Ronald Reagan reflected on Lebanon in his memoirs, describing the Middle East as a jungle and Middle East politics as irrational. It forced him to rethink his policy in the region. It’s time we do some rethinking as well.

 

October 28, 2005

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.



(Edited by Chris Baker on 7/17, 7:57am)


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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 9:06amSanction this postReply
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My hatred for a country is directly proportional to how much money in foreign aid the USA gives it. Israel gets the most, so I hate it the most.
Please evaluate the following argument. Taxes are immoral; public school teachers are paid through taxes, therefore we should all root for teachers to be blown up in terrorist attacks.
 
There are many countries that recieve foreign aid from the US, and I place that blame on the shoulders of the US. I understand your anger, but I think you're overreacting.



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Monday, July 17, 2006 - 1:40pmSanction this postReply
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ah, no wonder, another Lew/Ron Paul nut job.

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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:32amSanction this postReply
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quote , no wonder, another Lew/Ron Paul nut job
What is it that makes the only decent human being in Congress a nut job?


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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:34amSanction this postReply
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quote Please evaluate the following argument. Taxes are immoral; public school teachers are paid through taxes, therefore we should all root for teachers to be blown up in terrorist attacks.
 
There are many countries that recieve foreign aid from the US, and I place that blame on the shoulders of the US. I understand your anger, but I think you're overreacting.

I wouldn't care if a bunch of politicians were blown up by terrorists.


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Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:54amSanction this postReply
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I wouldn't care if a bunch of politicians were blown up by terrorists.
 
*sigh* Unless you care to start making logical arguments, I don't have much interest in debating this further.


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Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 2:17pmSanction this postReply
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quote Unless you care to start making logical arguments, I don't have much interest in debating this further.
And as you think about this debate and how much I may care about the debate, you will realize just how important this debate is. Looking at the gray box that contains the quote and the black text within it, you may find that there is a pattern of order and co-operation among the dots on the screen.

As the light from the screen penetrates your eyes and you become aware of all that you see, you can imagine the words on the screen telling you: "Peace is here. It is honorable. You will understand completely and find agreement here."

And as you breathe deeply and feel your heart beating, you will relax and realize just how much community and friendship there is in the great world we live in today. It's a great time to be alive. It's great to be on the Internet today.


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Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:04amSanction this postReply
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I'll take that as a no.

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Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 11:51pmSanction this postReply
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I'm siding with Chris (and against Kurt, and any other naysayers) -- Ron Paul is the most moral politician currently in existence.

And that is not a trivial matter.

Ed

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Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:11pmSanction this postReply
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Check this out! It'll scare the bejesus out of you!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp



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Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 2:36pmSanction this postReply
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(I wonder if even Americans are any longer capable of self-government, so esoteric, if not arcane, have become the sources once taken for granted in discussions surrounding the Revolution. How, for example, has it become possible for the Supreme Court to be so corrupt, as to rule contrary to the plain, intended meaning of the Constitution, on far too many occasions, hoping that such infantile poop would endear them to their fellow Americans, with equal disregard for the consequences?)

I have some questions.

1) If a multinational force were to go into Lebanon, what would it do? If it didn't disarm the Hazb-bullies, it would continue to let externally-imposed islamofascism fester. If it did disarm them, how? Fight? Droolingly, trust? Mutatis mutandis, in the West Bank and Gaza?

2) (This is somewhat irrelevant, but the role of newsbimboes in the stories coming out of Lebanon is too great to ignore.) I heard a suspicion voiced on shortwave the other night, that the explosion in Kana, used to great, if not fully successful, propagandistic effect, was not what it appeared to be. How would we ever find out?

3) China and Russia appear to have been using Iran (if not North Korea and others) to drain the West. Does their willingness to consider sanctions against Iran — for anything! — mean that this ultimately shortsighted policy is coming to an end? Or is it yet another delay, to buy time for their thoroughgoingly-evil marionettes? (What makes them think those strings won't, in the end, cut off the circulation to certain masculine body parts?) Why isn't the weed of highly-armed violence being eradicated at its governmental root?

4) What of Tony Blair's desire to help moderate Islam win over extremist, in a culture where thou-shalt-lie seems to be a matter of honor, and context takes distant second to Cain-worthy ostentation?


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