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Monday, February 20, 2006 - 4:37pmSanction this postReply
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Great book, goddamn tree huggers!

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Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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I enjoyed the book and have been passing it around the office. So far almost 100% positive reviews.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 10:44amSanction this postReply
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Did anyone see the 60 Minutes segment on global warming this Sunday? It looks as if the evidence for it is now overwhelming. Here is the story:


The North Pole has been frozen for 100,000 years. But according to scientists, that won't be true by the end of this century. The top of the world is melting. [Pictures of Greenland showed that the ice there has receded dramatically over the last several decades. ] There's been a debate burning for years on the causes of global warming. But the scientists you're about to meet say the debate is over. New evidence shows man is contributing to the warming of the planet, pumping out greenhouse gases that trap solar heat.

Much of this new data was compiled by American scientist Bob Corell, who led a study called the "Arctic Climate Impact Assessment." It's an awkward name — but consider the findings: the seas are rising, hurricanes will be more powerful, like Katrina, and polar bears may be headed toward extinction....

There's long been a debate about how much of this is earth's naturally changing climate and how much is man's doing. Paul Mayewski, at the University of Maine, says the answer to that question is frozen inside an ice core from Greenland.

With funding from the National Science Foundation, Mayewski has led 35 expeditions collecting deep ice cores from glaciers. The ice captures everything in the air, laying down a record covering half a million years.

"We can go to any section of the ice core, to tell, basically, what the greenhouse gas levels were; we can tell whether or not it was stormy, what the temperatures were like," Mayewski explains.

60 Minutes brought Mayewski back to Greenland, where he says his research has proven that the ice and the atmosphere have man's fingerprints all over them.

Mayewski says we haven't seen a temperature rise to this level going back at least 2,000 years, and arguably several thousand years.

As for carbon dioxide (CO2) levels, Mayewski says, "we haven't seen CO2 levels like this in hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions of years."

What does that tell him?

"It all points to something that has changed and something that has impacted the system which wasn't doing it more than 100 years ago. And we know exactly what it is. It's human activity," he says.

It's activity like burning fossil fuels, releasing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. The U.S. is by far the largest polluter. Corell says there's so much greenhouse gas in the air already that more temperature rise is inevitable.

Even if we stopped using every car, truck, and power plant — stopping all greenhouse gas emissions — Mayewski says the planet would continue to warm anyway. "Would continue to warm for another, about another degree," he says.

That's enough to melt the Arctic — and if greenhouse gases continue to increase, the temperature will rise even more. The ice that's melting already is changing the weather by disrupting ocean currents.



Did you catch the second to last paragraph?

Even if we stopped using every car, truck, and power plant — stopping all greenhouse gas emissions — Mayewski says the planet would continue to warm anyway. "Would continue to warm for another, about another degree," he says.

That's enough to melt the Arctic — and if greenhouse gases continue to increase, the temperature will rise even more. The ice that's melting already is changing the weather by disrupting ocean currents.


So signing the Kyoto accord would do little more than dramatically curtail economic activity and make everyone incomparably poorer, thereby preventing man from dealing with the problems that do arise from the effects of climate change. It would simply add insult to injury. Global warming is happening and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

- Bill

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Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 12:57pmSanction this postReply
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Climate scientists can not even predict the weather 1 month in advance, let alone 100 years in advance.

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Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 3:06pmSanction this postReply
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there's not a damn thing we can do about it.


Insofar as the warming itself, perhaps not - BUT - there's all sorts of ways to 'aclimate' or 'adapt' to this, all of which could be a BOON to humanity, not an acrimination.


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Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:39amSanction this postReply
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A Russian astronomer has predicted that Earth will experience a "mini Ice Age" in the middle of this century, caused by low solar activity.

Dramatic changes in the earth's surface temperatures are an ordinary phenomenon, not an anomaly, he said, and result from variations in the sun's energy output and ultraviolet radiation.

http://www.physorg.com/news10595.html


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Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 9:01amSanction this postReply
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What I don't get is that if the Poles average a couple dozen degrees below zero already, how would a temp rise of a few degrees melt them?

Two, Robert even IF tempatures continue to rise how would that be a boon to me and mine? I'm from Southern Louisiana and I plan on going back there some day. We already had enough crap happen to us, the last thing we need is the Gulf deciding to move on in. And I really don't care if some Canadian farmer can grow wheat a little futher north.

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Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 11:31amSanction this postReply
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Answer to (1) - salt water......
Answer to (2) - change with the times, quit trying to things as they were, and adapt the lands to new situations - even floating palaces if necessary, but ones which can ride out ocean surges - in other words, think outside the box and use later technology [enter the 21st century instead of clinging to the 19th.]..........


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Friday, February 24, 2006 - 6:53amSanction this postReply
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Robert you're right. We'll all move up North to the new coast, build new cities powered by nuclear reactors, and then dump the waste on your land.

Last time I checked, we're all in this together and there's no reason our collective actions should force me to move and you to benefit.

That said, why are we even talking about this global warming bs? So salt water freezes at 28 degrees instead of 32, it doesn't matter much when it -50 below.

Bah!

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