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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 7:54amSanction this postReply
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constantly juicy
LOL




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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 9:30amSanction this postReply
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It's the old "is-ought" problem.

No problem for objectivist couples though ;-) 




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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 9:56amSanction this postReply
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Reminds me of an old joke.

Q: How do you make sure a woman reaches orgasm during sex?
A: Who cares?

Michael (ducking)




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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 10:05amSanction this postReply
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Well, based on these findings, it doesn't seem we need you much anyway.  ;)



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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 10:27amSanction this postReply
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Now, now, Jennifer, if it weren't for men what would you have to laugh about.



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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:11amSanction this postReply
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Unsurprisingly, more women were able to achieve orgasm through masturbation, with 34% saying they could always do so.
However, if Elisabeth Lloyd's theory is correct that women are "riding on the genetic coat-tails of male evolution" - then women should be on their knees every night thanking us :-P



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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:17amSanction this postReply
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It's the old "is-ought" problem.


lol
Reminds me of the classic The 25 Most Inappropriate Things An Objectivist Can Say During Sex

"It doesn't really matter whether I come or not. I believe that man's tongue is an end in itself."



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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:22amSanction this postReply
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then women should be on their knees every night thanking us :-P

Um, no.




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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:44amSanction this postReply
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Just a joke.

They can also trade positions ;-)

In fact, I like to say to a woman "I've come to worship at your altar".

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Under 25 most inappropriate things...


Don't you have any Tchaikovsky? Rachmaninoff is fine for 69s, but nothing beats Tchaikovsky when it comes to anal.

What piece would that be, "the nutcracker suite"?

(Edited by Marcus Bachler on 6/08, 12:07pm)




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Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 12:10pmSanction this postReply
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women should be on their knees every night thanking us
That is half right.

;-)




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 3:54pmSanction this postReply
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What an interesting application of evolution! Although MSK's post was meant in humor, it does have a serious interpretation: If males actually cared for female orgasm (historically spaeking) , they would have exerted selection pressure, and we would now have figures of near 100% orgasmic frequency among females.

Now we have to wait for a non-theistic explanation from intelligent design. LOL!



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 4:54pmSanction this postReply
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For males to exert evolutionary pressure by preferring orgasmic females, they would have to be able to reliably detect the event and distinguish it from mere simulation.

It's questionable whether the typical male can detect fakery. I rely upon When Harry Met Sally as my evidentiary base.

John



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:06pmSanction this postReply
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How about a little input from the ladies here: any of you care to share your orgasm rates? 

And is there any truth to the notion that many women are incapable of orgasm based on penetration and intercourse alone, rather, cunnilingus and other 'external' tactics more often do the trick?




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:32pmSanction this postReply
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I am of the opinion that women who don't orgasm have a partner that is not exciting them. It's all in our heads. If you are excited about your partner, you could orgasm from their breath on the back of your neck... practically. (At least for me... *sigh*)

Also... I believe it's true that most women who don't orgasm during intercourse can orgasm during other types of stimulation... women are too afraid to try other things... they think they have to orgasm during intercourse... and men aren't willing to get them to try something else! I think a lot of women feel residual guilt when they have sex.... they feel like they're disappointing God, Dad, the kids, Mom, all their girlfriends and coworkers who think they're so innocent, their high school homeroom teacher... you get the idea. Outside of O'ism, women are not thinking about satisfying themselves. They'd feel just awful if they did that. Just something I've noticed with women I know.

Anyone seen Kinsey? People are screwed up sexually. Sad for them. ;o)

Pete,

Orgasm rate? Off the chart, brother. Just have to find the right person. I used to think I'd never orgasm during intercourse... but... I'll tell you it ain't true now. That's all.

Interesting article!

~Nicki




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:35pmSanction this postReply
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Nicole....will you marry me?



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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:45pmSanction this postReply
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Pete,

Get in line, brother. You have to pass some tests...hard ones... and you'll have to fight through the other SOLO men who have standing proposals to me at this point.

lol... ya'll are nuts.

~Nicki




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:49pmSanction this postReply
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Pete,
I got there second ... therefore you are third in line.

And by the way, Nicole, I would appreciate it if you would stop talking about your great ass and orgasm'ing from breaths on the back of the neck, and your never ending orgasms, etc. There is a limit to what should be asked of even the strongest man's self-control, after all.

(Edited by Jeff Perren on 6/09, 8:49pm)




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 8:54pmSanction this postReply
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Did I ever talk about my great ass? I don't recall...

But it is pretty great. ;o)

Sorry, Jeff. I'll stop. Do you want me to say something bad about myself to mitigate it? When I come across something, I'll let you know. It might be awhile though...

~Nicki :o)




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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 9:12pmSanction this postReply
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Nicki, you are a treasure.  :)

I also think that women who are unable to achieve orgasm have a mental block of some sort -- it just isn't that difficult.  I have a theory about this relating to one's "pleasure center" that I posted on the Food board, but I'll repost it here:

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After giving this subject much thought, I have come to form a hypothesis that the connection between openness to the sublime pleasure of food and to sensuality may be rooted in one's sense of life.  To swoon over a forkful of something divine -- one that inspires rolling of the eyes and primal groans -- requires a person to be open enough to experience a feeling of pleasure that deeply.  This would likely be apparent in a person who also revels in the art of making love.

It brings to mind Howard Roark's statement that "it only hurts down to a certain point."  Conversely, however, I think of a person who can feel all the way to his core -- to his pleasure center, if you will.  Granted, such a person might not always be a rational one, so it cannot be said that this applies solely to an Objectivist sense of life.  I've experienced many Objectivists in various settings who could care less about the food -- eating is more about fulfilling the hunger efficiently.  (I will never cook for such people, as it would be a wasted effort.)  In fact, I am inclined to think that one would more likely find it in someone hedonistic, given many Objectivists' tendency to repress all of those magnificent feelings of pleasure.

The historic gastronomic writer Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin had a famous quote: "Tell me what you eat and I'll show you who you are."  Do you subsist on bland pork chops, or do you savor the delicate perfume of garlic on a medium-rare steak that is flowing with aromatic juices?  Do you eat to get full, or to satiate your palate?  I would liken that to someone who prefers the missionary position rather than the numerous other ways one can enjoy sex.  I am also speaking of a person on the whole, as not every meal can be a gastronomic feast, nor can every sexual encounter be a marathon.

In the end, such an approach to food and sex reflects a greed for life.  And that is a huge turn-on.  I think it is no small coincidence that seizing one's time on earth with gusto is likened to "sucking the marrow" of life.

From a personal perspective, I have found that the deeper I come to know myself, the stronger the potency of these sensual responses.  It seems to require the ability to experience pleasure on a very deep level, without any sort of inner censor, and to appreciate the quality and source of that pleasure. 

I'd be interested in hearing input on this, as it is an important aspect of my life's work.





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Friday, June 10, 2005 - 3:01amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for your comments Nicole.
It's all in our heads.
I agree. That counts for both men and women. I remember I used to watch a program that highlighted different erotic fantasies every week.

At the end, a sexologist always said something like, "And remember, the largest erogenous zone in the body is your own mind".

A great truth there. Obviously the mind is not the only erogenous zone, but definitely one of the most important if you want to have great sex.




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