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Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 5:23pmSanction this postReply
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Been a LOT of years since I  last saw that one..... still brings laughs....

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Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 7:15pmSanction this postReply
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I hadn’t seen that until today, and I’m glad I did!

I don’t remember a time when I was a child that anyone had enough guts to put something out like that. Of course, when this film was made it probably didn’t take any guts to do it. Too bad things have changed.

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Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:26pmSanction this postReply
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"Not to love the Fuehrer is a big disgrace..."

versus
Will Ferrel parodying President Bush:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1wogkDmLlQ

Maybe at some level, we are allowed that because it does not make any difference.  "Let them have their illusions of free speech, we still rule."  But, I think that it does make a difference.  I cannot wait for President Hillary Clinton to take the heat.  We'll see what Radio America finds funny in 2010.

As for Steve's assertion -- "Of course, when this film was made it probably didn’t take any guts to do it." -- it is important to point out that we had phony scrap drives, phony rationings, a change in composition of the 5-cent coin (to conserve nickel), and the 1-cent coin (to recycle artillery brass) and other hokey propaganda, as well as concentration camps for people of the enemy race...  So, the cartoon, as pointed as it was, could have been pointed right back here...  Remember what Toohey said in The Fountainhead: Poison -- and poison for the antidote.


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Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 12:19amSanction this postReply
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As for Steve's assertion -- "Of course, when this film was made it probably didn’t take any guts to do it." -- it is important to point out that we had phony scrap drives, phony rationings, a change in composition of the 5-cent coin (to conserve nickel), and the 1-cent coin (to recycle artillery brass) and other hokey propaganda, as well as concentration camps for people of the enemy race...  So, the cartoon, as pointed as it was, could have been pointed right back here...  Remember what Toohey said in The Fountainhead: Poison -- and poison for the antidote.

Christ, you piss me off sometimes, MM.  Get professional help.

Steve, MM is the resident anarchist/relativist. As if that fact isn't obvious. 



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Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 8:58amSanction this postReply
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It was not until the USA was actually at war with the Axis that the U.S. Supreme Court reversed Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940) and ruled in WEST VIRGINIA STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION et al.
v. BARNETTE et al. (1943) that American school children were no longer required to give a right arm salute to the flag.  That was how my mother learned to "pledge allegiance" in the 1930s and it was also in the movie Will, the biography of G. Gordon Liddy.  Just pledging allegiance to the flag ought to be enough to make a real Objectivist worried.  That pledge, like the national anthem, was the invention of "progressives" (Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy) who thought that Americans were too individualistic and should be more like Europeans with a sense of national identity.  It is not for nothing that the reverse of the Woodrow Wilson dime is a fasces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tokio_Kid_Say.gif
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/athome/1920/TeachR/posters/p7.jpg
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/wwpost6.jpg
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/wwpost5.jpg
http://www.mscd.edu/~history/camphale/_assets/_images/content/wac/www/001_history_1.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/cybercoolie/WWIIpropagandaposter1.jpg

What makes America great?
Ask the cop on the corner.  Ask the cop on the beat.  Ask that cop knocking at your front door.
About 20 years ago, the college that I was teaching at had a program to acculturate about 10,000 Southeast Asian families, VietNamese, Hmoung, others.  And these people bridled at learning and reciting the pledge.  They said that it reminded of them of communist propaganda.  The teacher replied that, no, our pledge speaks of liberty and justice for all.  The refugees countered that communist propaganda has great-sounding words, too.

They'll never bomb this place... We own the world and outer space... 
... Ominous parallels...


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Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 6:49amSanction this postReply
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I have always loved the line "...when we bring to de world dis order."

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Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 8:04pmSanction this postReply
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While I don’t get 'pissed' at MM, often, I do think you take things far to seriously. Some things are not as subversive as you may think.

Remember, we have to take things one step at a time. We don’t have to like what is going on, but give up pissing over the amount of nickel in coins MM.

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