Who is Carl Barney?

Mark, the bigot, wrote:

"Since most everybody, of any race, is a preference racist ..."

But they aren't.  To be a racist means making moral judgments of person based upon their race.  And we know what "preference" means.  Putting those two words together, while dropping the moral judgment part part of "racist", is just a sneaky way of saying bigotry is okay, because everyone is a bigot.

Nice try, but no cigar.

SW,

To be a judgmental racist means making moral judgements of a person based on their race.

One can prefer one person over another for some purpose or other without making a moral judgment.  Again, a good example is ones choice of whom to date.

(Edited by Mark Hunter on 3/06, 7:23pm)

Mark,

Traditionally there was enough racism and segregation to make interracial dating rare.  (I recall my mother, who died over half a century ago, saying that she didn't object to interracial relationships but she wasn't sure she wanted her children to be the ones to start it.)  But this has been changing.

I might 'prefer' vanilla ice cream over chocolate, but I don't attempt to outlaw the manufacture or importation of chocolate ice cream.

I suspect that everyone reading this thread sees through the "preferential" crap Hunter is spouting.  He claims that there is an inherent and universal racial bias in all people.  That it manifests, as a matter of human nature, in a preference for their own race.  Then he wants to take that intellectual twaddle and make it the basis of immigration laws - and maybe to outlaw mixed marriages. 

Does he want to ship blacks to Africa?  Is that his preference?  Tell us, Mark, what laws do you think we should have.

Is his longstanding hatred for Yaroon Brook and ARI because they reject his racist views?

SW,

I might prefer not to rent to Asians or whatever but I wouldn’t attempt to outlaw renting to them.
 
Immigration policy is another question entirely.  No one has a right to immigrate to a country, and stable, pleasant countries are ethnostates or as close to it as they can be.  The U.S. in the 1950s was about 90% white and it worked well before the government violated freedom of association.  Today after forty or so years of mass Third World immigration we are in a mess and the U.S. may break up like the erstwhile Soviet Union.    

When you find yourself in a hole the first thing you ought to do is stop digging.  We should not accept any more non-whites, and if that is politically impossible not accept anyone.

I’ve defined my terms consistently and forthrightly.  What I write is transparent, there is no obscurity to see through.  Preference racism versus judgmental racism is a real and useful distinction.

Preference racism in small children has been scientifically demonstrated, look it up.  After they’ve been browbeaten by do-gooder adults they try to hide it but it's still there, like sex in a Victorian.

No, Mark doesn’t want to forcefully ship blacks to Africa, LOL, though I think we’d both be happier if Blacks had their own country, like the Jews have Israel.  (Now will someone say I want to ship Jews to Israel, LOL?)

As for disliking ARI, I present the case for it in great detail on ARI Watch.  The link is to a video of Yaron Brook saying so!

(Edited by Mark Hunter on 3/06, 10:52pm)

To clear up some confusion, for anyone who actually seeks that: When people choose their friends, lovers, colleagues, neighbors, etc. they always have various personal preferences, based on their individual nature and nurture. Thus each individual, whether consciously or not, prefers and generally seeks, those of a certain gender, age, intelligence, education, morality, manners, personality, race, sub-race, nationality, tribe, height, weight, athleticism, philosophy, religion, social history, personal history, experience, attitude, character, skin color, hair color, eye color, health, wealth, ambition, desire, outlook, etc. None of these personal preferences makes you a bigot, racist, sexist, homophobe, tribalist, ageist, lookist, heightist, weightist, etc. And none of this makes bigotry, racism, sexism, tribalism, etc. natural, normal, proper, decent, or morally tolerable.

Kyrel,

If there is any genetic difference between the races intellectually, mentally, morally, or criminally, individual differences within each race are much greater than any racial effect.

It is not possible to prove anything conclusive about whether some small genetic difference exists because there are other very important causes for statistical differences between the races, having to do with racial differences in how people have been treated.  These differences in how people have been treated are still with us.  Government interference has slowed down the natural process of correcting the effects of differences in how people have been treated.  

I'm sure you'll call what I'm saying a lying, cowardly evasion. But how much basis do you really have for your belief in important biological differences?

I do not attempt to destroy any discussion.  I do not "admit" to your "facts" for the same reason that I do not "admit" to being an agent of the government of the planet Venus; I do not "admit" to untruths.  

I do my best to encourage discussions to advance.  One thing I do to this end is to encourage people to explain themselves where necessary, so that there will be something to discuss.

I make positive statements of substance and answer all queries to the best of my ability, but you seem too bigoted to understand or appreciate this.

I maintain that all knowledge on every subject is either known or knowable.  No debate needs to be a waste of time.  You tend to turn debates into wastes of time by refusing to clarify or explain your statements and by assuming that those who disagree with you are simply guilty of bad faith. 

I never troll.  I do not seek to terminate any conversation.  I try to make all knowledge, truths, and sound conclusions reachable and possible.  I do not want to make anyone miserable or to hurt anyone, especially not anyone innocent.

You need to give me some indications you're not moral vermin.  A good way to start would be by explaining your positions better.

Doug: You seem like an utter fraud, pure waste of time, and not at all worth talking with. Please don't address me again.