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Post 20

Friday, April 3, 2015 - 6:37pmSanction this postReply
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David,

 

I don't buy your assertions.... at all.  What I see is a kind of anti-America-because-they-started-it attitude lurking right behind all of your statements.  The facts just don't line up with your consistent siding with Putin and Russia.  And some of your claims come across to me as way-out-there conspiracy theories... that Americana were the green men - REALLY?

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You said, and I quote: "Russia also has a long and easily penetrable border through which armies from the west have attacked Russia three times during the past two centuries" [Emphasis mine]

 

And I refuted that with specific examples: "And in 1922 the Soviet Union formaly "Unified" the caucaian republics, the ukraine, and Byelorrussia.  In the thirties, the Soviet Union occupied Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Bessarabia, northern Bukovina, Finland and eastern Poland.   In WWII they formed the Iron Curtain and took over all the nations behind it, making puppet states like Eastern Germany."

 

What was your reply?  "Russia is not the Soviet Union and these things occurred before Putin was even born."  Then you went on to talk about the ethnicity of past Russian leaders.  This isn't about where a leader was born, but what the government of the time did.

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You insist on talking about the US and NATO starting things, but only the Soviet Union has tanks on the border, and only Putin admits that the green men are Soviet military forces. 

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Many NATO countries, including France and Denmark, are to the left of Russia under Putin.

If he is resurrecting the thuggish behavior of the former KGB and making Russia into a country that uses military force to intimidate and to invade foreign countries, then it would be better for everyone if he were a peaceful semi-socialist country.  But pointing out an evil that he isn't, doesn't stand as a justification for an evil that he is.

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I doubt that Putin would invade them [the Baltics] unless Russia feels a lot more threatened without an invasion.  I don't agree that Russia, half has populated as the old Soviet Union, resembles it.  As for Putin being 'fond' of it, communism doesn't work and he knows it.  

It wasn't that long ago that no one thought Putin would invade any country... now we know better.  The population of Russia compared to the population of the former Soviet Union isn't the issue.  It is Putin's agressive military action.  It also isn't about Putin reinstating communism, which he probably wouldn't.  It is about reinstituting a totalitarian regime and engaging in military aggression.  What he is evolving will be more like fascism.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 1:44amSanction this postReply
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Putin knows Obama is a pussy, if  Reagan was POTUS (for example) things would be a tad different.., I miss the Gipper.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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After communism fell in eastern Europe in 1989, and the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, the Cold War basically came to an end. And yet Russia, over the next 5 to 10 years or so, gradually came to see itself as the enemy of America, for reasons inexplicable. But after the Warsaw Pact ended, America nevertheless pushed hard to expand NATO, for reasons inexplicable. Both countries behaved like braindead robots. It's like it's in their respective DNAs: each nation is the natural and inherent enemy of the other. So baffling.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 12:43pmSanction this postReply
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"What I see is a kind of anti-America-because-they-started-it attitude lurking right behind all of your statements."

 

I do not see the present government in Washington as 'America'.  It is far from it and getting worse, President by President, Congress by Congress and 'news' organization by news organization.  In many ways, 'our' government is worse than some foreign governments in terms of violating the rights of Americans as well as well as inflicting harm on other countries in a drive more in accordance with world hegemony than spreading the (real) American ideas of individual liberty and private property rights. And, the government in Washington did start it by ousting Ukraine's president in a coup and installing a puppet. 

 

There is little left of America worth saving and virtually no way of bringing back freedom except by irradicating about 90% of the Federal Government including the Army (but not the Navy).  Irradication will probably have to be done by defacto bankruptcy as voters are unlikely to do it and I'd prefer the Russians not do it.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 1:40pmSanction this postReply
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You believe our government in Washington ousted Ukraine's president in a coup and installing a puppet.  Those are far left talking points. I believe that the ousted president was a puppet of the Russian goverment and was removed because he chose Putin over the desires of his own people.
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I do not see the present government in Washington as 'America'. It is far from it and getting worse, President by President, Congress by Congress and 'news' organization by news organization.

I agree with that completely.
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In many ways, 'our' government is worse than some foreign governments in terms of violating the rights of Americans as well as well as inflicting harm on other countries in a drive more in accordance with world hegemony than spreading the (real) American ideas of individual liberty and private property rights.

This is where you go off track. Why get comparative here? It becomes a futile discussion with no purpose where you attack America in ways that imply siding with other governments. Your statement of our government's motivation as "as inflicting harm on other countries in a drive more in accordance with world hegemony" is an example of going "anti-American" has the appearance and structure of the far left's mind-set adopted to loosely sit next to the concepts of individual rights, but in a way that won't serve to move us towards better support of individual rights.  Because your focus stays on negative aspects of America, relative to bad actors in other countries, or just bad as such, you end up having no place to advocate from that would be effective in moving towards liberty.  And "hegemony" is a word too deeply tied to Marxist concepts related to "cultural imperialism" for me to ever use that word.  It lends itself too easily to a relativism where cultural, social or economic actions are equated with military actions. As if opening a McDonalds in some foreign nation is a form of cultural aggression that should be stopped with force if need be.
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There is little left of America worth saving and virtually no way of bringing back freedom except by irradicating about 90% of the Federal Government including the Army (but not the Navy). Irradication will probably have to be done by defacto bankruptcy as voters are unlikely to do it and I'd prefer the Russians not do it.

Liberal Hollywood, left-leaning mass media, the far left universities, far left agitation groups and far left politicians are magnified all out of proportion to their numbers, importance and impact by the media, and by the Progressive methods of agitation and by dishonest self-promotion. It makes things look like the country as a whole is far farther down their path than we are.  That's the purpose of this method of pushing a hidden political agenda.  (Things are bad enough, but what we see and the impressions we get make is seem far, far worse.)

 

The founder's ideals set forth in the declaration and constitution are worth saving, a better starting place than any other, a positive direction, and the structural prerequisite for liberty. Adopting that approach would likely eliminate 90% of the federal goverment, and it has the advantage of moving towards a positive goal, redeeming what we have that is worth saving, and not focusing on the negatives alone as if that could ever be an effective motivation or purpose.

 

Bankruptcy will happen if the course we are on isn't changed, and I could even imagine ways of using a forced bankruptcy as a move to shut off money to the federal government as a harsh and radical way to force a change away from the degree of corruption and totalitarianism that exists now.  But it would have to be done like major surgery - with a carefully planned approach and the specific technics, steps, and end goal all clearly understood.  Any massive crisis can be used, and will be used, by one faction or another for radical change.  The collapse of the present system would only useful if the turmoil that followed could be harnessed to restore liberty.  For sure, the far left would use all the dishonesty that can be mustered to blame it on free enterprise, on not enough government, and to paint a picture of death and destruction if their proposals aren't adopted.

(And there are elements of the far right that would want totalitarian control 'long enough to fix the problems' - like Bush saying that we had take over the free market to fix it - with TARP).

 

The sad truth is that the real foundation of liberty is that a significant portion of the population understand the need to have a constitutionally limited government based upon individual rights (and understand what all of that means and implies).  Attempting to get from here (or anywhere) to a stable state of liberty, without that kind of population is almost certain to fail.  And that is a problem that will take generations to fix.  We see some evidence of a trend in a good direction (Objectivism and libertarianism), but also strong evidence of a trend in the wrong direction (the politically correct religion of Progressivism and strength of the Evangelical movement).  Improvement, even in the longer term is by no means certain, and most likely something we will not see soon.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 3:02pmSanction this postReply
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"You believe our government in Washington ousted Ukraine's president in a coup and installing a puppet.  Those are far left talking points. I believe that the ousted president was a puppet of the Russian goverment and was removed because he chose Putin over the desires of his own people."

I am going by the evidence on video (Victoria Nuland's, Senator McCain's,  and Urmas Paet, the Estonian Foreign Minister who was in Kiev when the snipers were shooting demonstrators on both sides, and Yulia Tymoshenko, whom the EU demanded be released from prison and who called for nuking the Russians, and many others).  I have followed the events that followed closely both in main stream and 'alternative' websites.  You obviously have not been doing so, Steve, which is why you are so shocked to hear that 'Americans' could be responsible for the deaths of innocents or have anything other than noble causes in mind. 

 

The West also helped get its man elected back in 2004 - Yuschenko.  He did such a bad job that he got less than 5% of the vote against Yanukovych in 2010.  Sure, some of the people in Ukraine might prefer the EU - the ones who are as bankrupt as Greece (which should never have been admitted to the EMU).  But when violent demonstrators, encouraged by Western provokateurs, force an elected President out of office and the US State Department gets its man installed as Ukraine's PM, I call that a (Western-sponsored) coup - which might as well be an invasion.  As for the Russian 'invasion' of Crimea, they were already in Crimea and the people supported them overwhelmingly.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 3:23pmSanction this postReply
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David,

 

What are the 'alternative' web sites that you take your evidence from?



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 7:06pmSanction this postReply
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Alternative sites:

 

Mish

Stockman

Paul Craig Roberts

Infowars

ZeroHedge

Mortgage Implode

Unfiltered News

Automatic Earth

and sites that above link to. Except for Automatic Earth which is 'liberal' (socialistic), the above are libertarian.  Some of the stories on Infowars are a bit wacho but they usually provide video evidence of things like police brutality, etc.  Unfiltered News links to mainstream media (mostly) articles that don't make the front or second page.

 

I also read mainstream sites such as Market Watch, WSJ, WaPo, CNN, etc.

This site might be considered an alternative also although it is supposed to be philosophy, not news.



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Saturday, April 4, 2015 - 7:08pmSanction this postReply
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The videos I mentioned can all be found on YouTube.



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