Merlin: Yes -- so you see the potential problem, if HFTs are in some way wired up to the slow moving day trader 'free s/w' consoles. That is an enourmous potential for very crude automated front running. As in, folks putting on a great pony show of pretending to deal in high concept algorithms that predict differential market reactions based on real time analysis of news feeds, when all of that is just a smoke screen to hide the crude automated front running occuring by being wired up into slow moving day trader consoles. HF noise to hide the slow as molasses same old same old going on somewhere off in the tangled mess of not even racks of servers and wires anymore on the floors below. The in someway is the key. How subtly can that be accomplished? How astute are the regulators eyes(off doing things like safely twiddling with what must be in FpML till their heart's content, looking busy and getting paid?) How solid are the conceptual firewalls? In the old days, they could at least point to a room full of racks of servers and wiring and tell some poor guy to have at it, knock himself out looking for the dirty connections; ha, as if. But never mind...where is all that interconnectivity today? Ripe for gaming. Tell me you think Wall Street has refrained from the opportunities. It is quaint to even think that. No doubt there must be 'rules' and firewalls between the data 'oozing' in from those 'free' day trader consoles to broker houses, and the HFT silicon, to shortcircuit automated front running. OTOH... such automated front running could be made subtle; down in the noise of small differences where HFTs live. As in... hey, does anyone mind if we start dealing in prices down in the third decimal place? I'm willing to bet that the small print in those 'free trading console' s/w packages makes for some interesting reading. But never mind the small print; folks will sometimes do what they can do, not always what they may do. I'd be flabbergasted if this isn't widely occurring; what suddenly ethical species is this? Gaming of the gaming; creating no value whatsoever, parasitically siphoning actual value off of economies that do. Because they can. Not in a small way, like a leech on a living beast, but in a large way, like a horde of leeches on a carcass. Mankind's naked sweaty ape bent for criminal enterprise has totally dominated our economies; this is just one example. The horde of leeches can't believe it; there is seemingly no end of how far beasts of burden will struggle, even covered with leeches. It is a conceptual problem, not a problem of technology. All it takes is someone who wants to do that, period, and the species is expert at delivering up examples of same. The real conceptual problem is for advocates of freedom; does freedom embrace the freedom to unleash a horde of leeches? Are there wide reaching side effects of this that are a hard to see form of forced association-- side effects that over time eat that very freedom? regards, Fred
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