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A beautiful five year old child, blond hair, blue eyes, smiling at us from her Kindergarten picture, loses her life because of willful fringe abuses of freedom. Unopened Christmas presents under the tree. Proms never attended. A walk down the aisle with her father that will never happen. Her own children never to be...

Her death, and deaths like hers, commonplace nationwide, an epidemic.

Surely we can do better.

Surely we can no longer tolerate such deaths.

Surely we can no longer turn our backs on her missing life.

Sure we are going to do something about these deaths -- and bring about change.

Because the willful act was the willful abuse of alcohol, and getting behind the wheel of an automobile, and drunkenly deploying a million ft-lbf dynamic event, crossing the thickly painted double yellow lines, and destroying a 5 year old child, her infant brother and both parent while sleeping peacefully on the way home from
Grandmas. Human beings don't accidentally take that first and second and third drink, those are willful acts.

Surely, we don't -need- access to 180 proof alcoholic beverages, or massive killing machines that can project a million ft-lbfs of destructive physical energy--so effiicient at killing that they do so in large numbers even when their intent is not to do so....

We -could- reasonably permit only 3.2 beer. We could limit access to vehicles capable of exceeding 20 mph to law enforcement and the military.

But we don't. We don't even talk about it. We don't even have national commissions to discuss such fringe behavior.

And yet, how fringe is it? Ask your self this. Every community in America has preventative DUI traffic checks. State cops pulling over lines of traffic, checking for the fringe abuse of freedoms, to try and minimize senseless deaths.

So, why isn't every community in America also having traffic stops looking for fringe damaged 20 year old children of devastating 'me first, kids later' divorces with guns, or whoever else is conducting such things as drug related 'drive-by' shootings? They -might- have detected and stopped this damaged human being in time. (And, why are automobiles any less an enabling element to a 'drive-by' -- or, in this case, the means by which this damaged human transported his aresenal undetected from home to school -- than the weapons themselves?

Well, of course we don't do that; because -these- events are so rare and so fringe that the efficacy of such preventative stops would be next to nill.

Still, in my son's HS, there is a full time armed guard, and has been for years. A madmen with a gun will be met by an armed guard in that school. The nation has plenty of ex military and law enforcement well trained in firearms, many of whom who be glad to volunteer for such duty. This is not a matter of cost, it is a matter of will. We place the guards at the places we wish to inhibit violence. We don't send out blanket stops looking for rare, fringe madmen, nor do we ban alcohol or automobiles, the real killers loose in our nation.

And yet...we regularly perform such -preventative- stops for the -real- epidemic, the DUI. But for the -real- epidemic, there is no national hue and cry for the prohibition of enabling alcohol and at least 'sensible' restrictions on the available mass and horsepower of automobiles to limit the impact of the inevitable fringe abuse of those freedoms. Tell us why anyone but law enforcement -needs- to travel faster than 20 mph on their way to hunting ducks with their .410?

Part of the current emotional response is claims that the 2nd Amendment is about duck hunting. It is not. It is exactly about individual rights, and the final defense against an unfettered local state, the mob. It is true that no individual or group of individuals(such as what happened in Revolutionary America)is likely to stand up against our modern standing armies. It is also true that our modern standing armies are unlikely to accept or carry out orders against the nation and constitution they are sworn to defend, especially if those orders are directed at their families and friends and neighbors. Except that we've already seen what the unfettered state is capable of in Nazi Germany and the USSR and Kampuchea and Burma and Iraq and Syria...

In case anyone wonders in the least what the unfettered state looks like, we need to look no farther than the coverage and emotional response to the latest fringe abuse of freedom by a damaged 20 yr old.

We blow right past "he was devastated by his parents divorce in 2009." That freedom -- the freedom to consider 'me and my happiness first' when discarding a child and tearing apart his family in front of him-- is far too widely accessed in America for any serious examination of that as a contributing factor to this damaged human being. We rationalize our actions with "the child will be happier outside of a home that is always fighting/unhappy" and that is complete and utter B.S. Many -- even most -- children -do- survive that crisis and come out whole, but few without scars from the deep stress of seeing their mother and father part ways.

President and Michelle Obama have -already- done the most important thing they can to bring change to this nation; they have provided an example of a mother and father staying together in a marriage and providing a safe haven in this world for their children to grow into fully formed adults. And as high as the divorce rates are in this nation for marriages in general, they are even higher for parents with special needs children, with some reports pushing 80% of such marriages ending in divorce.

We blow right by, ' he watched/played a lot of violent video games.' Why, I even heard a commentator say this morning, "...and there is not much we can do about that." Really? I guess we just have to live with such fringe abusers of freedom as a cost of out freedom. Well, at least some ot them; the ones we don't access, as in, the very definition of the unfettered state..

He shot his mother, who it is reported was in finance, in the face; a particularly personal form of killing someone, before driving across town in this affluent CT community to gun down the innocent children of other affluent parents. The tribe is on a desperate tear now to blame everything but the real causes of this fringe mayhem, and do the easy thing; infringe the rights of others that we do not exercise. That mass tribal hysteria is -exactly- what the unfettered state looks like.

The guaranteed practical impact of the current emotional debate is predictable and to be expected; skyrocketing sales this week of exactly the weapons that are being discussed to be banned. The manufacturers won't be able to run enough shifts for months. America is about to become awash in semi-automatic .223 rifles of exactly the kind abused by this fringe 20 year old.

As well, during the ten years of the Assault Weapons Ban between 1994 and 2004, there was never a period when it wasn't possible to legally obtain any of the weapons banned, including high capacity magazines. It had no impact, not even symbolic, and Columbine was right in the middle of that so called ban. Prohibition failed with alcohol, it has failed with drugs, and it would surely fail with firearms of any type, and the emotional urge to ban is having the practical impact only of flooding the nation with yet more of them.

Don't we care about innocent 5 yr old blond blue eyed children dead over senseless willful acts of fringe abuse of freedom?

Or, are we only selectively caring; some innocent 5 yr old blond blue eyed children are more politically abusable by vampire ghouls than others.

I would feel differently if I were the parent of that 5 yr old child?

Which one?


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Monday, December 17, 2012 - 10:31amSanction this postReply
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The nation is full of retired ex-military and law enforcement well trained in firearms.


1] Ask for volunteers.
2] Deputize them as part of local LE, accountable to local LE. Background checks, etc. Schools are still schools...
3] Offer retraining for school duty.
4] Place them in as many local schools as possible.

I suspect, there would far more volunteers than slots; rotate their schedules.

Do not leave our schools officially and guaranteed defenseless.

My son's HS already has such an armed guard in place, has for years, ever since Columbine.

This is a question of will, not cost. For some odd reason, we want to declare schools as free fire killing zones, where no law abiding armed citizen is to be found within 1000 feet, guaranteed. That is just pure insanity.

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 9:37amSanction this postReply
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Fred, I understand your anger and your sorrow. I am not sure that a solution can be engineered for this problem. 

"On the national network news, the story is much the same. In the school year 1997-1998 there were 6,146 deaths by firearms for the age group 15-24 (Hoyert, Kochanek, and Murphy 1999:68). Thirty-five of these deaths were a result of school shootings. School shootings represent .5 percent of the gun related deaths for this age group (National School Safety Center 2001). Network evening news crime coverage for 1998 reported 1392 stories about crime on NBC, CBS, and ABC. Stories on two school shootings – Jonesboro, Arkansas, on March 24, 1998, and Springfield, Oregon, on May 21, 1998 – represented nine percent of ALL network evening news crime coverage in 1998 (Center for Media and Public Affairs 1999). This is a significant amount of news coverage for a topic that represents only .4 percent of homicides.

"In the academic school year 1997-1998, there were 44,351 public and private secondary schools and 91,661 public and private elementary schools for a total of 136,012 schools (Moody 1998). There are on average 180 days of school per year when schools are in session for a total of 24.5 million school sessions. The nine school shootings in this year represent .00003 percent of the approximately 24.5 million times school was in session for the day somewhere in America."
“The Role of Television News in the Construction of School Violence as a ‘Moral Panic’” by Donna Killingbeck, Journal of Criminal Justice and Popular Culture, 8(3) (2001) 186-202, online here: http://www.albany.edu/scj/jcjpc/vol8is3/killingbeck.html

I had Dr. Killingbeck for two classes at Eastern Michigan University, one undergraduate (Community Corrections), the other for my master's (Miscarriages of Justice). The relationship quickly soured and we took each to the Student Judiciary Council in a set of complaints that went unresolved. So, no, I do not like her. Nonetheless, this research is significant, important, and fundamental to a serious problem.

I do think that Donna Killingbeck's assumptions reveal the dark underside of collectivism, the same that was reflected in Ford Motor Company's decision to pay off lawsuits rather than to re-engineer the Pinto Hatchback.  If "all men are created equal" then we become interchangible and replaceable.  By extension, the argument seems to be that ff only some small enough fraction of child deaths are caused by school shootings, then we can ignore them.  That is a fallacy and is not what Killingbeck is proposing at all. 

The roots of crime are sociological and individual.  Crimes are only interpersonal harms on some special list.  It is the harming we do to each other that is the root.  For that, no easy answer - perhaps no answer at all - exists.

You would put thousands of "qualified" military in the schools.  But I know as you must that within those ranks are men who would  commit the same crimes - and have.  Given a large enough sample set and it is only a matter of time before we ask how men who had killed in Iraq and Afghanistan were put into our schools as guardians. I had an instructor from the Flint Police Department.  He never took a life, as most of them had not.  But one guy did, several times, and seemed not to mind.  They called him "Refrigerator" and avoided him.  Do you want to put someone like him in a school where communist teachers indoctrinate children with socialist lies?  The next victims will not be kids. Think of the discussions that have played out here about nuking Teheran.  Again, statistically, the larger the sample, the more predictable the outcome.

Over on MSK's OL, Adam Selene pointed out that Connecticut has what he called "some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation."  The solutions - such as may exist - are deeper than the level of social policy.


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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 11:48amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

... which is why I proposed background checks by the deputizing county sheriff's office. You want to add psychological screening? No problem.

I didn't propose an open house; I proposed starting from that pool as already having training in firearms, and then qualifying them.

Your argument kind of suggests we are fools for ever arming police, period. Police also wig out, and yet we persist.

regards,
Fred

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Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 10:04pmSanction this postReply
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I've been trying to understand where Piers Morgan's obvious inner demons came from. And then I read this:

Morgan married Marion Shalloe in July 1991 in Hampshire. They have three sons: Spencer William (born in 1993), Stanley Christopher (born in 1997) and Albert Douglas (Bertie) (born in 2000).[71] Morgan and Shalloe divorced in 2008.[citation needed] He was linked romantically to The Guardian columnist Marina Hyde, and his second wife is The Daily Telegraph's columnist and feature writer, Celia Walden,[72] who is the daughter of the former Conservative MP George Walden.[73] Morgan and Walden married in June 2010. On 25 November 2011, the Mail Online reported that Celia Walden gave birth to a baby girl at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Beverly Hills. It is her first child, while Morgan has become a father for the fourth time. The couple have named their daughter Elise.[74]

So when a child devastated by the divorce of his parents, immolated on the pyre of his parents 'us first' sensibilities, ends up as a 20 year old murdering innocents, Piers has an existential imperative to make sure we understand the cause is some other freedom abused by Americans...

Spencer William would be 20 years old.

And now I understand Piers' campaign to save his soul.

Absolutely, Piers; its the guns. That's what has changed since the 50's.

regards,
Fred

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So, while this Limey twit was married and had three boys -- children -- at home, he is running around on his wife with some other slick little piece of journalistic ass who was also married at the time.

And now, he is on a self-righteous tear, on the instance of a 20 year old child of divorce who was "devastated" in 2009 at the breakup of his parents marriage who wigged out and murdered innocents in a senseless act of fringe violence?

He's losing his mind in front of the world, and rightfully so, because as the full story comes out, sense will be made of the senseless. He is going to need professional help after he finally realizes where his obvious rage is coming from.


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Korean grocer in front of his store during LA Riots.

An iconic example of the local unfettered state.

Law Enforcement overwhelmed, totally unable to deal with the local mobs.

No way to claim that which already happened in this America can't happen in this America. Was no doubt going to happen again if Romney had won the election.


No way to guarantee that mob won't be armed, whether you are armed or not armed. In those circumstances, which would you choose?

Not my concern, and vice versa, which is another overt reason for the 2nd Amendment.

regards,
Fred




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http://www.kfvs12.com/story/20398123/retired-army-soldier-stands-guard-outside-cape-school

http://www.wkrn.com/story/20385847/former-marine-stands-guard-outside-daughters-nashville-school


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I heard that on the news!! It brought a smile to my face.

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I've heard these stories elsewhere as well, but my depression Era/WWII father also used to tell me stories of him and his friends regularly taking their .22 rifles to school. They would set in the cloakroom until after school, and then the boys would go plinking. This was commonplace. And, nobody batted an eye, this was another day ending in 'y'.

Flash ahead to today. Kid so much as shows up with a picture of a weapon, and folks are running out of the school with their hair on fire.

What happened? What has changed? Because things have definitely changed since then.

Immediate post WWII America. Awash in war surplus weapons. I still remember those ads in the back of magazines. Mail order rifles. Total glut. And peaceful. No mass school shootings. One guy-- Lee Harvey Oswald -- changed that marketplace in 1963.

What else has changed since JFK's 60s to drive the fringe insane?

Well, the epidemic of children subjected to divorce, that has changed. Kids seeing their mother and father split up in front of them, that has changed.

By far, not the only thing; over-normalization has changed. People like to look back at the 50's as a period of widespread conformity and repression; we could only wish.

As I've disclosed a thousand times here, I'm the father of a special needs child. My youngest son has Williams Syndrome, a genetic deletion. Severe learning disabilities. Obviously physically different, WS is sometimes called 'Elfin Facies Syndrome.' Just like Downs kids(my other favorite humans in the world) all have a facial resemblance, so, too kids with Williams Syndrome.

The kids in school love him, treat him kindly. He's never been bullied, or overtly mistreated. He loves school, he loves the kids in school. For that, I'm proud of kids today, and grateful for the way they embrace my son.

But, it's not my son I worry about in those schools; it is the kid who is just 'a little' different-- like his girlfriend, who he went to the prom with. She is beautiful. Stunningly beautiful, inside and out. To talk to her briefly, you would have absolutely no idea that she is learning disabled. But she can't add 1+1. She has no sense of logic at all. She struggles in school. And those same kids in that same school system tease her mercilessly, because from the outside, she appears that she should not only be part of the Tribe, but one of its ruling princesses...but she is 'different' in some way they can't immediately identify, and so, they descend on her like white blood cells, attacking her. Ostracizing her. It's easy to do because ... she is beautiful. (I'm not talking about the gratuitous "Oh, all kids are beautiful at Special Olympics" beautiful, I mean, on any scale or standard you want to apply beautiful. She is stunning.) But ..different. And from afar, when you saw her with my somewhat goofy looking son at the prom, you inwardly shake your head and say "How does -she- end up with -him-????' But the answer is easy; my son has always been her friend. He's never picked on her. He's always shown empathy when she was picked on. He's always just been her friend. And it makes perfect sense that the two of them would go to the prom. (Actually, the three of them; my son, her, and her also gorgeous but dateless friend. They had a blast.) But it is her I worry about in this out of all control over-normalized Tribal free-for-all we tolerate.

God forbid she'd wear the wrong clothing or current fashion.

And at the opposite end of the 'normal' spectrum? We call them geeks and dweebs. The kids who blow the curve for the rest of us. The kids sometimes staring off into space because their minds are engaged on other than the average pap. The actually exceptional kids, not the participation trophy exceptional kids. The kids bored in 'Honors' AP class ... because they've been over-run by parents insisting that their kids have Honors AP.

This is the source. What we call 'normal' is really 'average,' and how can average be exceptional if we acknowledge that normal is really just average? And so, that gooey mass of 'average' -- including and especially their parents -- have rebelled, and have declared that average is not only normal, but exceptional. In order to be exceptional in the Tribe, it is necessary to be exceptionally average, and any outliers that threaten that belts-loose definition of exceptional must be policed up as the threats they are to the Tribes self congratulations for being 'average.'

The DSM has exploded because of over-normalization. We have reached the low point where an ability -- an ability -- to focus intensely on complex issues is characterized as a form of autism.

Because it isn't 'the norm.' And instead of characterizing such a mind as one that will be proficient at some tasks that the 'average' couldn't do in a million years of unfocused trying, we instead characterize them not as 'exceptional' but abnormal, as in, deviating far from the safe, gooey center of Holy Average.

And that seething mob, the Tribe of Holy Average, accentuate those differences and make self-fulfilling prophecy out of 'he's not right.' After being pushed away by the Tribe of Holy Average, the different become even more isolated, and more agitated, and more disengaged. Of course they become 'anti-social;' who in their right mind is going to immolate their one and only life to be the designated punching bag for 'the average.'

And sometimes, to the point where they conclude, "Screw the average."

I spend a lot of time at Special Olympics. As endemic as divorce is, it is even higher among the parents of special needs kids, maybe pushing 80%. I know lots of single moms who could be Adam's mother, struggling with the guardianship issue. And, that is only among the parents of kids with actual diagnosed afflictions; what of the many more parents of kids who are only "a little" different?

That is where the epidemic is, and shame on the Tribe for what we tolerate from our normal/average kids trying their damndest mostly to be Kim Kardashian or some other popular culture icon.

regards,
Fred






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The strongest driver of tribe-like attacks on someone just because they are different - even if they are different in some minor way that is not in the least harmful to others - is low self-esteem. You won't find a larger predictor of collectivist torture of an outsider than kids with low self-esteem attempting to buoy themselves up with pseudo-self-esteem made of twisted rationalizations about "we" (the collective) are cool, and I'm a part of the collective, so I'm cool) and those outsiders need to be shown their inferiority (because that will let me feel superior).

Hi self-esteem is the potential victims best antidote to the cruelty that is intended by these losers.

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Korean grocer in front of his store during LA Riots.

An iconic example of the local unfettered state.




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It is the answer to the often asked question, "Of what use a semi-automatic assault rifle with a hundred round magazine?"


Our government cannot pretend to be able to protect any of us from the unfettered state; that which has already happened (the LA Riots) cannot be said to be impossible to happen.

And that is only one example of the unfettered state, even if they claim that our own government could never itself be that unfettered state.

Because when it comes to governments and unfettered states, history is full of examples of governments becoming unfettered, so there is no credible claim that which already happened many times cannot happen.

The current mass insanity, the emotional, ill-thought out over-response to rare, fringe mayhem, is itself an example of the unfettered state.

regards,
Fred

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Steve:

Yes, and what more damning indictment of self-esteem than to realize that one's highest aspiration must be limited to be 'exceptionally average' in order to be embraced by The Tribe?

Success is demonized. Blowing the curve is ridiculed-- especially at the high end. Geeks. Dweebs. Teacher's pet. The clawing of the Holy Average is apparent in our language; it leaves skid marks. Never mind, being just -sligthly- different than the Holy Average.

It has all the appearances of a self-feeding killing machine; the biggest slobbering beast in the jungle, driving itself insane by forever pushing the fringe right over the edge, as a kind of self-esteem-defense mechanism.

And it is all not only totally legal, but safely regarded as 'the norm.'

regards,
Fred



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Fred,

Hopefully you meant "low self-esteem" where you said, ...what more damning indictment of self-esteem than to realize that one's highest aspiration must be limited to be 'exceptionally average' in order to be embraced by The Tribe?"

There are so many misunderstandings of real self-esteem that I'm never sure what others might understand 'self-esteem' to mean.

Some people use their consciousness improperly. They might, for example, choose to evade thinking about things that might make them feel bad Then the result is a feeling of insecurity which grows into a background of anxiety. This goes on for years. And the tribe comes along with a handy, ready-made set of rationalizations to make them 'feel good' - let's say beliefs that put blame on others. Some of these belief-sets get institutionalized so that there is a set for elementary school, for middle school, for college, etc.

That would be a low self-esteem defense mechanism. Someone with high self-esteem needs no such defense.

The psychological development of such a defense mechanism is a series of trade-offs to evade something - and they are all dysfunctional choices: choosing to evade a thought that might cause a person to feel bad, then accepting a belief that classifies others as morally inferior for being different, especially if that difference actually makes them better than average, accepting such a belief despite a tiny voice in their mind saying this isn't right. Then watching someone get hurt because of those beliefs being put in play. Then, over time, the transformation goes from reluctance and guilt to seeking out those to torment and celebration of their pain.

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Steve:

Yes, what I meant was, that which would damage ones' self esteem; realizing that one's highest ambitions, in order to be embraced by The Tribe and not policed up as an outlier, must be limited to being 'exceptionally average.'

A realization that, if chosen as one's governing value (to be embraced by The Tribe)is exactly an attack on one's self-esteem, and the generator of that which you described: the need to police the even sligthly different.

Inartfully expressed.

Our modern language is filled with Up is Down, Left is Right, Black is White political speak; what modernity calls 'diversity' is some of the most strongly policed conformity that mankind has ever seen; I shudder to imagine the form of the unfettered state that will erupt from this gooey mess. History ain't seen nothing yet.

regards,
Fred



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OMG, Fred.  I completely, totally and utterly agree with you, but I think the blame lays squarely at the feet of government and its policies against (yes, against) families.

Well, the epidemic of children subjected to divorce, that has changed. Kids seeing their mother and father split up in front of them, that has changed.
 
I don't think you realize how deeply true this is. The issue isn't simply divorce, but the way in which government views, handles, supplies, enforces, imposes, regulates, rewards, punishes, defines and redefines individual human beings because they're a member of a family. Notice how people simply assume family matters are handled reasonably by the state, when there's some pretty compelling evidence that something is more than a little off going on in family court systems all over the country. To give yourself a handle on what I mean, watch Judge Judy, a personality I used to really admire and enjoy, for a week and pay attention to her attitude toward non-custodial parents, even if the case is completely unrelated to children, she'll manage to find a way to demonize the non-custodial parent. Judge Judy is someone who really believes in the "goodness of government." She's just doing what government does best: look for bad guys.  No bad guys? Then make one.

The bad guys in today's culture are non-custodial parents. Their crimes: generating a "burden" called "children."   Children are actually defined as "burdens" by the court.  Now, you tell me how that couldn't possibly have an impact on a child's sense of self-worth in the world. One parent is being rewarded by the court for the burden of his/her existence, and the other is being punished and demonized.  What could go wrong?

The answer is glaring, in my opinion.  Children grow up with a sense of entitlement (someone else should pay!), or a sense of worthlessness (fuck it.) Both are destructive, and both are the result of government actions against families and individuals trying to survive.

Could it be, Fred, that government has infiltrated its way into family matters in ways it never did back in the 50's?  No fault divorce didn't exist then, and neither did welfare. Coincidence? I don't think so.


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Teresa:

Yes, almost by design. Not just social theories, but social theories in support of political agendas.

Strong families are far too autonomous generators of healthy, independent minded individuals.

Can't have that.

regards,
Fred

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Notice how people simply assume family matters are handled reasonably by the state, when there's some pretty compelling evidence that something is more than a little off going on in family court systems all over the country.

Actually, the trend in family courts in recent years has been to encourage and promote mediation.  Family courts do not want to define families or to dictate how families get along.  Family courts would much prefer that the members of the families (the adults, that is, the parents) act like grownups who care about their children.  Family court laws exist out of necessity because people are stupid and won't take responsibility for themselves or their children.

Strong families are far too autonomous generators of healthy, independent minded individuals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Fred, but I think you have too narrow of a definition of "family."  I love your passion, but I'm getting the impression that you think anything other than a traditional nuclear family with a mother, father, kid(s) of those same parents all living under the same roof, is a recipe for destruction.  That just isn't so.  Whatever happened to it taking a village?


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Like I said in another thread, people just believe stuff without a second of reflection:

Family court laws exist out of necessity because people are stupid and won't take responsibility for themselves or their children.

Yeah. Hell is freezing over, too.  I'm willing to bet Adam Lanza accepted that idea above. Premises like this (born out of pure collectivist thought, and no where else) have a way of making their way into the culture, and then become widely accepted, despite being a lie.  Is it possible, vaguely possible, that government has a hand in making people stupid?  The question never seems to occur, does it?

As an Objectivist, I'm a little insulted by the lack of rational thought expressed in this premise. This is still an Objectivist site, last I checked.

Governments/courts don't exist to "make people responsible" (for artificially generated crimes) by forcing them to conform to standards pulled out of a distant and disinterested bureaucrat's ass.  It doesn't exist to punish people like felons for failing to live up to standards designed by Communists who hate the very idea of individual liberty, and love the idea of dependence, public or personal, they don't care. That's all family court does: Make people dependent on the slave labor of others, others who are demonized by the state (and those dependent on it) as "irresponsible" and "guilty" from the start.

Any attempt to fight for your life, and your love of it, and suddenly you're not being an "adult."  Its flawless! Guilt and belittlement have been a very effective tools for that tyrannical monstrosity called Family Court. When something like a court of law, enabled with every support from government, including a monopoly on force, puts in so much effort in to let people know they're entitled to the life and labor of someone else, they're going to act entitled. And, boy, do they act entitled. "Look what government's doing for ME! I must really be entitled!"

I suppose I should thank you for making my case for me. That was effortless.

Do you know anything about Objectivism, Deanna? Have you read any of Rand's books? If you're new, I understand, but please know that I'm not.

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 12/28, 7:43pm)


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