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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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Most of this went by me. I finally looked it up.

"The London Interbank Offered Rate is the average interest rate estimated by leading banks in London that they would be charged if borrowing from other banks. It is usually abbreviated to Libor or LIBOR, or more officially to BBA Libor (for British Bankers' Association Libor) or the trademark bbalibor. It is the primary benchmark, along with the Eurbor, for short term interest rates around the world. ... Among the abuses being investigated were the possibility that traders were in direct communication with bankers before the rates were set, thus allowing them an advantage in predicting that day's fixing." --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor

This seems like more of the same government intervention in something they cannot understand and with which they have no moral right to be involved. Sort of like defining the pitch of self-tapping sheet metal screws.

I know that there is an attempt here on RoR to view "insider trading" (so-called) as a violation of someone's contract rights. I did not even bother to read it. " Complaints of "insider trading" are an example of the "ignorance is bliss" school of economics in which no one knows nothing not known to everyone equally. In fact, a long time ago, browsing the doctoral dissertations in the Michigan State University library, I came upon one from a Divinity candidate on the nature of angels. Do they all know immediately what any one of them learns? Miraculous, indeed...

Well, I have to go take some slacks to the tailor's this morning. I have no idea what they will charge... maybe I should call and ask. But that would be scandalous, would it not?


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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 9:01amSanction this postReply
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I know that there is an attempt here on RoR to view "insider trading" (so-called) as a violation of someone's contract rights. I did not even bother to read it. " Complaints of "insider trading" are an example of the "ignorance is bliss" school of economics in which no one knows nothing not known to everyone equally.
You might learn something if you bothered to read it, such as your last sentence doesn't apply to my view.

(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 7/24, 9:55am)


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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 6:54pmSanction this postReply
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Merlin, I just read your essay. I will reply there. Thanks.


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Wednesday, July 25, 2012 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

The history of LIBOR is as a standard -- a supposedly neutral standard upon which other rates and contractual consequences are based.

It is a little bit like the following; MOBIL/EXXON calling up the National Bureau of Standards and asking for a favor. "Just for today, can a gallon be defined as 4.05 quarts? Nobody will notice much, and we are doing a quarterly inventory, and it would help our bottom line."

And then tomorrow, Royal Dutch Shell calls and wants, as a favor, to scootch that number to 3.95 quarts.

But NBS expensively and loudly sells itself as the guardian of the 4 quart definition.

It's yet another anecdote of the financial services industry f'n with the game, and what is lost with all this is not .05 gallons per gallon, but confidence in the entire game, and with loss of confidence comes loss of circulation and economies flat on their ass.

regards,
Fred

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Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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Fred,

Great points. I was listening to "Nationalization" Public Radio the other day and they did a short piece on LIBOR. The fun fact gleaned was that the day after Lehman Brothers collapsed LIBOR held the rates constant! The biggest bankruptcy in the history of the world -- over $600 billion in assets -- and LIBOR doesn't flinch?

Makes you think that someone somewhere asked them not to.

Ed 


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