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Thursday, September 9, 2010 - 3:24pmSanction this postReply
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Greetings, all. I'm a scholar of obscure Randiana and today the "Ergitandal" bug bit again. (This is a word that appears in "The Journals of Ayn Rand" pp 523 & 543, during Rand's final prep for "Atlas," with an editor's note saying the reference was unknown.)

I've come up with an hypothesis. To my knowledge, it's not verifiable at this point, but it may be a beginning.

Due to Rand's capitalization, I take it that the word refers to a person or place. The only Google hits for it as written are Randians wondering about the mystery. So I Google'd various change-permutations to the vowels - no luck. So either it was something too personal/obscure to appear on the Web as of 2010, or the the word itself was too far off in structure from a more recognizable/findable word. So I looked at the word phono-linguistically: Er-gi-tan-dal. The language-family it belonged to appeared Germanic - strong "er" sound at beginning, placement of decisive "g" and "t" and "d" at syllabic beginnings. So: a word of possible German origin.

Her use of the word in the Journals had always suggested something observed from a distance that evoked a feeling of wonder or might, something building and ascending - characteristically Randian motifs! Germanic + mighty + ascending immediately brought to mind Rand's teenaged trip to Switzerland with her family, during which she climbed hills with a Swiss boy. So I wondered if there could be any hill or mountain with a name that sounded like "Ergitandal" in an area in which she might have gone touring with her family.

I looked up a list of Swiss mountains and scanned down for the "dal" suffix, thinking that least likely to have been misheard - and there is a mountain on the Swiss/Italian border that fits the bill.

So my hypothesis is this: "Ergitandal" is her slightly misremembered (after 30+ years) version of her either having seen personally or seen a photo, in her mid-teens, of the minor summit behind the Matterhorn - "Der Pic Tyndall" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pic_Tyndall - perhaps with a German (or German-speaking Swiss) guide. [ http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22der+pic+tyndall%22 has 48 results .]

If correct, these are the shifts that would have occurred in her auditory memory:

er-gi-tan-dal
der pic-tyn-dall

How this could be verified I do not know, but that's the best hypothesis I can offer for now.

Now back to trying to find Gilles Rioux - see "Letters of Ayn Rand," p 496!

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 - 5:18pmSanction this postReply
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Could you quote some context?  My copy is in storage.

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 - 5:25pmSanction this postReply
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Wild assed guess, without seeing it used in context: her self-coined word.

ergitandal: adj, having a quality of leading to a conclusion. From 'ergo' : therefore

Not being a conclusion, but being a nexus to a conclusion.

regards,
Fred

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 - 5:32pmSanction this postReply
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This reminds of that whacky dictionary game.

Someone picks out an obscure word they can find in the dictionary. Folks try to come up with the most believable made-up definition.

Maybe that's what it means: "capable of being a candidate in that whacky dictionary game."


Elderly Jr. High Algebra teacher humour. Miss Raber tells the class that she often picks up the dictionary to find a word she didn't already know, just for fun. then she starts reading the dictionary to give us an example. But she just keeps turning the pages, slowly, one by one, not finding an example..."nope...not that page...nope...not yet...." until the class finally gets the joke.

You had to be there.

regards,
Fred

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Thursday, September 9, 2010 - 9:27pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting stuff.

Or should I say: Gitzyerahtenshun?

:-)

Ed

p.s. I like both Fred's and Michael's hypotheses.

Or should I say Freichotheeseez?

Okay, okay. I'll stop now.


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Friday, September 10, 2010 - 7:03amSanction this postReply
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God bless you.

I think 'ergitandal' is almost easier to say than the also made up 'nexatudinal.'

Ergo, that was my guess. But I wasn't raised speaking Russian, so maybe she found that 'ergitandal' rolled off the tongue better. Or, it could be her mangled memory of an actual place. Or something else.

Has anyone ever actually posted her usage in context? I've never seen those margin notes.

regards,
Fred



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Friday, September 10, 2010 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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How well-established is this spelling?  Rand wrote in longhand, so this is the editor's conjecture, and putting it in print lends a spurious certainty.  We might have a better idea if we could see a copy of the manuscript.  In the meanitme, I'd like to second Bartlett's call for a fuller quote.

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Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 8:34amSanction this postReply
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Peter:

That's another good possibility. I know my handwriting is atrocious, I can't even read it sometimes.

We could be chasing a misspelling of a smudged notation.

regards,
Fred

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