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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 8:50amSanction this postReply
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Ted, you will lose your credibility if you continue that kind of headline. For those who read the headline, then read the quoted paragraphs, but didn't follow the link - you were lied to. Ron Paul is NEVER mentioned in Thomas Sowell's column - not once.

The column is titled "The vision of the Left" - how sad when being a libertarian (who is not an anarchist) and who is the strongest supporter of economic reform in Washington since Jefferson lived there - and who is the only true free market member of congress - leads to being vilified here - HERE, not at MoveOn.ogr. I guess if you aren't militaristic enough in your support for interventionism you become the enemy.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 8:52amSanction this postReply
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Very true - that is the tactics of an Obamabot...

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 9:11amSanction this postReply
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Oops, did I make a "mistake"?

I think I certainly made a point.

Time for Ed and Jeff to chime in...

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 10:57amSanction this postReply
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Yeah, I got the point, but it shouldn't be made in a way that implies Thomas Sowell actually said that about Ron Paul. It was Ted Keer who said it.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 11:35amSanction this postReply
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Ted wrote:
    Time for Ed and Jeff to chime in...

??? I'm confused. Do you think I have some sort of agenda or vendetta against you Ted?

Regards;
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Jeff

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Tuesday, September 9, 2008 - 2:07pmSanction this postReply
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Whuh???

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 8:00amSanction this postReply
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Paglia has a crush on Palin, "the new Madonna"


...Conservative though she may be, I felt that Palin represented an explosion of a brand new style of muscular American feminism. At her startling debut on that day, she was combining male and female qualities in ways that I have never seen before. And she was somehow able to seem simultaneously reassuringly traditional and gung-ho futurist. In terms of redefining the persona for female authority and leadership, Palin has made the biggest step forward in feminism since Madonna channeled the dominatrix persona of high-glam Marlene Dietrich and rammed pro-sex, pro-beauty feminism down the throats of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment....

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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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Stop nitpicking, and admit what your arguments imply:

(Paglia, cont.)

But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument (as in my first book, "Sexual Personae,") has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue. The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman's body, which nature has implanted there before birth and hence before that woman's entrance into society and citizenship.

On the other hand, I support the death penalty for atrocious crimes (such as rape-murder or the murder of children). I have never understood the standard Democratic combo of support for abortion and yet opposition to the death penalty. Surely it is the guilty rather than the innocent who deserve execution?

(Edited by Ted Keer on 9/10, 10:06am)


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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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I love the raw energy of her writing. It is like she chose to let this fierce, burning flame in her soul write THROUGH her - she is an intellectual channel for the heart of things important by the measure of the human experience.

She is the opposite of that bookkeeperly-like fussing about to ensure that consistency is maintained. She abhors those that would poke about in her words with little calipers and rulers and try to find flaws. It is like she were saying, if you can't see the value of the insights and the power of letting your energy have such a direct voice, then I would despair of ever trying to justify to you of the need to accept the resulting contradictions or inconsistencies.

She isn't, for me, no matter what she might write, a philosopher. Because she is too restless and impatient to weigh and ponder and perfect. She is like a guide and inspiration for the philosopher who looks at her output like an engineer looks at a earthquake - the earthquake is real, and from it the engineer can make his descriptions and plans.

(added by edit) What follows has nothing to do with Paglia - it's in response to a comment Ted made, but has since edited out of his post. It is a better way to explain something in the nature of government

How must man function? He perceives reality and then begins an inner choreography of parsing, comparing, and analyzing. It is a complex matching process that has that percept, that snapshot of reality that triggered this inner process, that may require an explicit action on his part. This is the generalized understanding and the model of all that is man - perceive, process, act. The purpose is life, and it is the means of living and it is life.

Looking inside of that choreography more closely we see it to be a matching process. There is a repertoire of possible actions, capacities - types of actions, and finding the one that fits is what his process is for. Percept in - action out. Involved are beliefs, layers of goals, values, and standards for actions to measure appropriateness, rightness, and effectiveness. One set of percepts going in and one action plan coming out - but much internal grinding to connect them.

Our delegatation of actions on our behalf to government is a complex thing to understand. We are making an automaton in essence, "Look robot, these are the kinds of percepts you must scan for. Then you must analyze them for these attributes and qualities. Then you do compare them for matches in the list of actions that you are permitted to do under the appropriate conditions. You may never do any action that isn't on your list of permitted actions. If you do have a match, then you can take that action." We programmed that robot to do a kind of choreography of matching that is like what we do. When that choreography is done by a government it is called jurisdiction.

This has nothing to do with Paglia's candid, stark, kill-what-we-eat kind of honesty in viewing organic life as it might apply to alliances or to arguments on intervention - which I suspect is what you hoped to see more of from me. But the arguments on jurisdiction on this forum are malformed as any I've ever seen - not one soul appears to grasped what I've been describing in that area - and it is my love for that dance that mentally takes principle, which is our only grasp of reality above that of a crow, and joins it the messy events of reality. Applying principles to current events is what we do as individuals, as intellectuals - jurisdiction is what a government does to find the principle that fits the current event thrust upon it.

I am so frustrated that people keep seeing what I'm saying as some kind of interference with their stance on intervention.

If we want to keep making claims about government should do this or that, it is incumbent upon us to understand HOW government works. As there is human nature there is government nature. As humans should exercise their rational faculty, governments should exercise jurisdiction. I see the current state of philosophical understanding of the nature of government as woefully lacking.


(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 9/10, 3:12pm)


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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 1:17pmSanction this postReply
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I am so frustrated that people keep seeing what I'm saying as some kind of interference with their stance on intervention.

To them, it is an interference... and, actually, in much the same way Palin is an interference to Obama and his fellow leftists - and with the same emotive response - "How DARE him [her, them, it] !!
[and with the same intense denial of this, too]


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Wednesday, September 10, 2008 - 2:32pmSanction this postReply
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Steve wrote:
    I am so frustrated that people keep seeing what I'm saying as some kind of interference with their stance on intervention.

I learned an important psychological lesson back in college. I was having a heated discussion with someone over some topic which I can no longer recall, and this fellow started acting like I was hurting him. I stopped and made some inquiries and eventually got him to agree that, to him, my arguments were equivalent to my picking up a baseball bat and whacking him! It seems that there are many people in the world for whom thinking is actually a physically painful experience. I'm not suggesting that that applies to anyone on this forum, but when you see people get so worked up over the ideas, thoughts and opinions of others, you have to wonder what process is really going on internally. We may expect others to distinguish the efficacy between thoughts and actions, but it often turns out not to be the case. Being aware of this can help us adjust our rhetoric style if we see the telltale signs of this phenomenon coming into play - assuming the goal is effective communication. On the other hand, if you're out to push buttons, then fire away regardless of eye color! :-)

Regards,
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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 2:35amSanction this postReply
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Charles Krauthammer:

"WASHINGTON -- The Democrats are in a panic. In a presidential race that is impossible to lose, they are behind. Obama devotees are frantically giving advice. Tom Friedman tells him to "start slamming down some phones." Camille Paglia suggests, "be boring!"

"Meanwhile, a posse of Democratic lawyers, mainstream reporters, lefty bloggers and various other Obamaphiles are scouring the vast tundra of Alaska for something, anything, to bring down Sarah Palin: her daughter's pregnancy, her ex-brother-in-law problem, her $60 per diem, and now her religion. (CNN reports -- news flash! -- that she apparently has never spoken in tongues.) Not since Henry II asked if no one would rid him of his turbulent priest, have so many so urgently volunteered for duty...."

It's good to know Krauthammer reads Paglia.

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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 12:11pmSanction this postReply
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Krauthammer is one of the few conservative columnists I will bother to read.

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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 5:03pmSanction this postReply
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He defends Palin re the "Bush Doctrine" here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

He says "I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush Doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term."


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Friday, September 12, 2008 - 6:21pmSanction this postReply
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Rodney, that column you link to does a good job of listing the 4 Bush doctrines.

p.s., Just to be sure I'm not accused of being a "conservative" along with the other labels I seem to be a magnet for, let me say that because I read him, doesn't mean I'm in agreement :-)

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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 6:24amSanction this postReply
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The Palin interview was much edited to boot: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview


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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 11:27amSanction this postReply
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That is so disgusting and shows Gibson to be without integrity. I hope it becomes a major news item and gives ABC a black-eye. The McCain camp should have a media pit-bull (not Palin) and maintain a web-site that lists each of the media bias examples - people would be astounded at how many there are.

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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 11:44amSanction this postReply
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Oh, if one goes thru Instapundit.com. one finds ample correctives of 'errors' - and that site is one of the largest read...
[and by 'errors' am meaning mistakes if innocent, and lies if not]


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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 1:48pmSanction this postReply
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SNL will have Tina Fey (<3) as Sarah Palin tonight, apparently.

Lorne Michaels says the show as such is nonpartisan (this must be in contrast to the past!), so it will be interesting to see if the "dumb, ignorant" narrative foisted on Palin is pushed. I'm hoping they go, rather, for the "tough gal" aspect. 

I'm smitten by both women. Hope I don't have to choose between them.


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Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 1:53pmSanction this postReply
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Send them both flowers, Rodney. And if worse comes to worse, you can still love Tina Fey for something other than her political positions :-)

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