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Post 40

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 8:14amSanction this postReply
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Phil,

Bummer.

I'm sorry, I can give you a C- at best for this one. You're talking about a marketplace for ideas, it can never be saturated. It would be like deciding not to be a scientist or inventor because "everything's been discovered already". In any market, if you can offer a better product, you can steal 100% of the existing customers.

I don't think your airline analogy was a good one either. Many of the OLDER airlines succumbed because they could not compete with the NEWER ones cost wise (they were too inefficient). It wasn't because there wasn't a big enough market.

I hope you can explain yourself a little better, else, where are the economics gurus on RoR?

I like Dean's idea about trying to find useful symbols. If you came up with something that could be immediately related to Ayn Rand, would you have to license it from ARI?

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 8:31amSanction this postReply
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Dean wrote:

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L W, which premise, and who is "him"?



Sorry for not being more clear. The "premise" is..one of the very first things to consider is "saturation point" (with which I agree and will post more on later), and "him"is Phil.


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Post 42

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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Super successful companies create their market, they don't just tap into an already existing market. The successful entrepreneur changes peoples' desires -- creates desires people didn't know they had, he doesn't just cater to what they currently believe they want.

The potential market for Objectivism is huge, the current market is much too small.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 11:24amSanction this postReply
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I agree with Rick Pasotto and sanctioned his post.

The question is: How can we create a much larger market for Objectivism?


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Post 44

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 12:01pmSanction this postReply
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And I still hold that the answer is 42.

Sarah

Post 45

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 4:27pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah, my post was 42. :-)

Post 46

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 4:42pmSanction this postReply
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Several of you have attacked a point I haven't made and wouldn't (that entrepreneurs create a wider market & that Objectivists can and should) & several have misunderstood my meaning..and context...for the word "saturation".

This last is fair, because I simply agreed with much of LW's posts and haven't *yet* laid out my position in detail.

(Trying to hold your fire until you are crystal clear you -fully- know what the supposed adversary is advocating is good advice within Objectivism. ...As well as in trying to persuade people more widely.)

Right now I have a football game to watch.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 4:46pmSanction this postReply
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Rick,

Er, yes! *cough* All part of my plan!

Sarah

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 5:01pmSanction this postReply
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How can we create a much larger market for Objectivism?
Most people value their own lives and other's lives. They find life worth living. That seems to be a good place to start to me. If they didn't, they would probably either be dead or in a hospital bed hooked up to life support. Teach them how they can get more out of their own lives, and how everyone can get more out of life. Ask them how they are currently doing it. Maybe you'll learn something from them. Maybe you'll have a minor suggestion to offer them. Or maybe just by talking about it, they'll realize that they actually do value their lives more, and they'll be more likely to find out how to improve their lives.

This may not work until they respect you. Be virtuous, and over time you will earn their respect. Do what you love, and be productive to the point you love being productive. John Galt wasn't a hero because he shrugged or quit. He was a hero because of what he accomplished.

Teach people that they can be worth something to themselves and to others. If they are doing things right, tell them, praise them like it was the greatest thing in the world, like it was one of the most important things to you. Of course, only be genuine. If they are making a difference, tell them, and thank them.

Today, at work, I had a breakthrough. It seems that everyone is fond of increasing the value they produce for themselves and others, which provides them with resources to make their own-- everyone's lives better, and to be able to increase the amount value for themselves and others, to make their own-- everyone's lives better, and on and on.

And yes, for the past 48 hours, I've been on an emotional high like you wouldn't believe. Of course I hope it lasts! We'll see. : ) I hope you all have a great night!

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 5:14pmSanction this postReply
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Luke:

The question is: How can we create a much larger market for Objectivism?
Well, I say we start a kick-ass football team and sell squares .... no?  

(LOL, I'm thinking about contributing a dollar to the "promote Objectivism fund" to raise the 2.5 mil it'll take to get a 15 second spot during the Superbowl.)



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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 5:29pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa, I watch no football.  What does it mean to "sell squares"?

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 7:15pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa, I watch no football.  What does it mean to "sell squares"?
Bet me Phil knows.

Squares are a form of betting on the teams. It's a "pool" type of betting system, and can be set up a whole bunch of ways (touchdowns, score spread, actual scores, etc.), but it's always with a grid of squares drawn on a big piece of cardboard (or empty beer case). The names of people who've purchased squares go into each square. The names of the competing teams go along the top and left edge of the grid, along with numbers that I think represent yard lines, I forget. I also forget how you win, but someone always does.

My jock-master brother is the expert, not me.  The game might be more popular here in the Midwest than in the South. I don't know.


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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 7:18pmSanction this postReply
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it's halftime, so I have time to mention that I am a big football pool winner. By the way, Texas is going to win.

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 8:25pmSanction this postReply
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somehow I am not surprized I am on the opposite side of things from Phil. I was on a full tennis scholarship to U.S.C., and both the tennis team and the football team were national champions...so I am also following the football game...and I am cheering for U.S.C. they have soul.


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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 9:25pmSanction this postReply
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Darn! but great game!

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 9:44pmSanction this postReply
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Michael-
Your team played an excellent ball game, but their coach handed it to Texas by going for that 4th down try.  I'm so pissed right now, that I'll be silent.


Post 56

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 9:53pmSanction this postReply
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dontmesswithtexas

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 10:04pmSanction this postReply
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Game always goes to the hungrious... when was last time for Texas?

Post 58

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 10:10pmSanction this postReply
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We're happy in Austin, baby!

Yeoooooooooowwwwww!#


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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 - 11:02pmSanction this postReply
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I feel a crushing burden of guilt and shame, having hijacked my own thread with an innocuous side remark about football...

...I promise to do better tomorrow by returning to the original thread (once I've finished celebrating ... hic...urp...)

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