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Sunday, October 23, 2005 - 10:13pmSanction this postReply
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I wasn't sure if this should've went in the Q&A section or not, because it's not really a question on the Objectivist philosophy per se...

I talked to my brother, in rehab, on the phone for about 40 minutes today, and I'm somewhat saddened from what he had to report. Before he got in a bunch of trouble, he told me that he was agnostic. Naturally I corrected him and told him that he was in fact, an implicit atheist :), and then argued with him over God being a "possibility". It apparently wasn't a subject he'd spent a great deal of thought on. So, I told him he should read the book I was currently reading, "Atheism: The Case Against God", by George H. Smith. He wasn't too keen on that, he seemed content with remaining in his vulnerable, ephemeral state.

Well, when I talked with him today, he told me that he's been doing a lot of praying. He told me about prayers that he'd memorized. He said he goes to the chapel sometimes. He said the first step in breaking his addiction was recognizing that there's a higher power. He told me that it was their overconfidence in their selves, i.e. their perceptions of themselves as too high of a power, that landed them in there. He told me about how the psychologist there had him fill out a survey, and he found that his personality was one "prone to unmanagable addiction". He told me that all of this was helping him overcome his addictions.

When I first talked to him, when he first got there, I told him not to feed into all of their bullshit. But sadly, I didn't instruct him to go further and analyze what they say objectively. I didn't tell him that they'll take advantage of his vulnerable state to pound in their own ideals, because, firstly, I didn't think they would do such an immoral thing; secondly, I didn't think my beloved brother was such an impressionable lad.

Anyways, I tried telling him this time, that a "higher power" wasn't going to stop his self from harming his self. It ultimately must be him. I told him he must be strong enough to overcome his addictions, and admitting a "higher power" would not accomplish this. But he retorted with things like, "You're an atheist, aren't you... fuck you then..." and "But it really is helping me".

After a while, I told him that he should read some Ayn Rand. And he seemed willing, and told me to "send them". This made me chuckle, since I don't actually own any of her books, aside from "Philosophy: Who Needs It". (Having a university library within walking distance is really handy). I told him that he should peruse the selection at his local library, but I sadly, couldn't recommend him anything in particular that would suit his condition.

Herein lies my question: What would be a good text on helping him overcoming his addictions? I was thinking perhaps Anthem, since it's a short read, but it, like Rand's other fiction, involves a heroic individual overcoming society, rather than internal demons. Do you know of any good stories of introspection? Or perhaps you could direct me to an article on the matter?

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Monday, October 24, 2005 - 6:07amSanction this postReply
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Hi Brandon:

Did you read the recent thread on addiction? And on first texts for introducing people to O-ism? I might crib from those and also from a recent post by Ross:

http://solohq.com/Forum/ArticleDiscussions/1483.shtml#11

He said: "The trick, however, is to be able to spot the perpetual addict who's always looking for the next fix. A lot of people have got a deep itch that drives them nuts. They just can't scratch it. So they look for something."

I have been in rehab quite a few times, some voluntary, some not. Most of the times I went I was determined to "not feed into all of their bullshit" and as a result, the entire time I was in I was planning for the binge I would have the moment I got out. I went along with their meetings and classes and groups, said what I needed to say, and 30 days later was holed up somewhere with a needle in my arm. Probably listening to Counting Crows and reading Ayn Rand.

The last time I went was the last time. My life got desperate enough that I was ready to open up and try anything. Including twelve-steppers with all their Higher Power bullshit. And it worked - there was no plotting, no scheming, I got well because I did give over my will - AS IT PERTAINED TO USING DRUGS AND ALCOHOL - to my higher power which was the group. But I didn't spend a lot of time having an attitude about it being the group vs. god. Today I am grateful to be well and back in control of my own life and if you happen to find me in a group any given week you will hear me saying Our Fathers as loud as anyone.

I don't believe for a second that anyone working in a drug rehab is worried about taking advantage of the vulnerable state of addicts to pound in their own ideals - unless you are referring to their desire to help addicts get clean. Most rehabs use the twelve-step idea because it is the only thing that has worked in a very widescale way. It's the most effective manner to treating addiction. Addicts, on their own, are not strong enough to overcome their addictions.

Of all my unsuccessful trips through the rehab experience, I thought my most valuable friend was the one who would call, write, or visit and support my delusion that I was already ok, and that everyone in the place was full of shit, and that I should just do it my own way. They gave me exactly what I wanted - validation that things had not been as bad as they could have been, that I was still in control, that I didn't belong there. By the time I went in for the last time I had moved enough times and run away enough times and disappointed and pissed people off enough times that noone came to me with any "you're ok" messages.

Be very careful about interfering with someone's recovery program. You are not in a position where you are dealing with a rational, thinking person. Addicts in rehab are physically and mentally reeling. The only thing they need to be concerned with is not using. Not the existence of god or the importance of philosophy - although ultimately those things will be important to their maintainence of a sober lifestyle.

Just my opinion, I am quite sure there are others who will disagree.

I hope that your brother is able to get his behavior under control, in any manner that works for him.



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Monday, October 24, 2005 - 9:39amSanction this postReply
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I found the article "The Metaphysical Versus The Man-Made" when perusing the index of "Philosophy: Who Needs It". Do you suppose this would be a good thing to send him?

EDIT: On a side note, in that article I found this quote, "It is the metaphysically given that must be accepted: it cannot be changed. It is the man-made that must never be accepted uncritically: it must be judged, then accepted or rejected and changed when necessary." Too bad Rand didn't explicitly point out that her philosophy is a constituent of the "man-made"...
(Edited by Brandon Miller
on 10/24, 10:31am)


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Monday, October 24, 2005 - 8:45pmSanction this postReply
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Brandon,

Best of luck to you and your brother. I hope he gets better.

Re your side note, I think when Rand was at the height of her powers she did clearly state some of the areas where major work was needed in her system, and looked forward to others working on it to complete it. But then the Nathaniel Branden betrayal really tore her up emotionally, and later she saw it was taking longer than she had hoped to change the world. And there she was with Frank and herself getting older and developing health problems, and she realized that she would never live to see the new culture. So she became really depressed and bitter and started getting more and more scared that some con artist would come along and pervert her ideas before they could really influence the intellectual set in a big way. That's when she became overprotective of her work.

Then Peikoff came along after her and mainly remembered the way she was in the last period of her life. With far less excuse than she had had, he intensified the aspect of her work being perfect and unchanging. And by funny coincidence, this is also exactly what it would take to puff him up as top dog considering that he holds all the copyrights, is in possession of her unpublished manuscripts, etc.

-Bill

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Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 10:29pmSanction this postReply
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Wow Ashley

We don't agree on foreskin (I've been reading the forums for hours)

but we sure agree re your post here...

Especially when YOU SAY:  Be very careful about interfering with someone's recovery program. You are not in a position where you are dealing with a rational, thinking person. Addicts in rehab are physically and mentally reeling. The only thing they need to be concerned with is not using. Not the existence of god or the importance of philosophy - although ultimately those things will be important to their maintainence of a sober lifestyle.



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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 5:44amSanction this postReply
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Coffee... Mountain Dew...  Red Bull... cigarettes... Aspirin and Heroin were both inventions of Bayer...  It is not a matter of "drugs" per se, but the individual who uses them. In numismatics, I have written about collecting as an addiction, a personal dysfunction, in response to people who admit to missing a house payment in order to buy some "rarity" at auction.  It isn't "coins" per se, but the individual who pursues them.

Religion is an opiate.  That can apply to Objectivism as well as to Catholicism -- and I have known Catholics more rational than some Objectivists.  So, you might help (or even save) your brother with a copy of Anthem -- or not...  Painful as it is to watch, it is not your choice to make.

About 18 months ago, we buried one of my wife's uncles.  He literally smoked himself to death at age 50.  He never quit, even as he was getting chemotherapy and radiation.  On the other hand, his older brother had had an epiphany of some kind (secular, not religious) and quit drinking and smoking a couple of decades back. He gave a nice eulogy for his younger brother, actually, one of the best we have heard.  It is hard to watch something you cannot change.

But if you are clear on your need to intervene, I recommend Anthem or The Fountainhead way before George O.O. Smith's Metaphysical Epistemological Treatise on the Phenomenology of Causality.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 3/20, 5:47am)


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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 5:56amSanction this postReply
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Marotta, that was very-very well said.

Excellent post.

George


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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 6:50amSanction this postReply
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Michael M.

Ditto. you hit the nail on the head. Great post!

Ethan


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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 6:59amSanction this postReply
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Michael M wrote: "Painful as it is to watch, it is not your choice to make."

Sadly in these cases, this is true.


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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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One of the simplest ways to impart a sense of "higher power"(God if you so choose) with people who totally balk at the idea, but are having serious problems staying sober/straight is use of the acronym g-o-d, for good-orderly-direction which is exactly what is missing from a person's life in the throws of addiction.

You may do about as as well trying to downloading new programs into a defective computer as teaching the philosophy of Rand to someone whose mind is basically broke and needs time to heal itself from the ravages of prolonged substance abuse.

Although there may be cases where it would work I believe they would be the exception rather than the rule.

Good meaning family members are often the greatest deterrent to recovery and indeed may be included in some of the underlying causes such as in the case of enablement.



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