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Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 5:26amSanction this postReply
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There was an article I read about a month ago (the link to it no longer functions)
about how the European Union (EU) was about to shaft Microsoft.  Fines would
be levied against the company and laws would be implemented so that
Microsoft couldn't bundle Windows Media Player with it's software.

They would also have to reveal programming secrets to rival companies.Reading
it, I couldn't help but think how what was about to happen was very similar to
what happened to Rearden Steel in 'Atlas Shrugged.'

I was wondering what other people thought.



(the link doesn't work due to age, I tend to forget about forums and don't visit)


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Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 12:00pmSanction this postReply
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I remember hearing about this story on the news a few months ago. At that time the legal process had not yet been finished as Microsoft was to appeal. However, it seems the legal process is still not over.

It seems that the EU justice system has decided to shaft Microsoft by following in the footsteps of the US justice department.

It may also be that microsoft has become corrupted itself after being constant hammered by the sick politics of "big business" envy worldwide.

Unfortunately, they can't simply retreat to Galt's Gulch in the real world like Rearden did, but are forced to play by the politicians sick rules if they wish to continue to do that which they love to do!!!!!

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Microsoft drops appeal against EU sanctions

 

David Gow in Brussels

Tuesday January 25, 2005

The Guardian

 

Microsoft decided yesterday it would not appeal against an EU court ruling forcing it to share some of the secret protocols behind its operating systems with rivals and offer a version of Windows without its Media Player audio-visual software.

The US software group, which was fined a record €497m (£345m) last March by the European Commission in a landmark anti-trust ruling, said it was "working constructively" with the commission on a "full and prompt" implementation of the sanctions imposed by Brussels.

 

Microsoft, which has been accused of seeking an effective monopoly for its Windows operating system, is keen to reach a negotiated settlement with the EU after paying off the bulk of its litigant rivals but has made no further approach to the commission since its request for talks was rebuffed before Christmas.

 

It argues that a full-scale hearing will take so long that market developments will render the outcome meaningless and result in a lose-lose situation for the two protagonists. It hopes the European Court of Justice will proceed to a full hearing later this year.

 

It said: "We remain very optimistic as we move forward in this process and are encouraged that the December court order noted that a number of Microsoft's arguments could provide a basis for overturning the EU's decision."

 

On December 22 Bo Vesterdorf, president of the Court of First Instance, the EU's second highest court, rejected the software group's appeal against the commission's "interim measures", or sanctions, and ordered it to implement them immediately.

 

It is understood that rival manufacturers have begun negotiations with Microsoft over the terms, including the fee, of the licences they need to ensure inter-operability with Windows on PCs, but these are far from complete.

 

The first versions of the operating system without Media Player have been shipped to PC manufacturers such as Dell and should be available in European shops next month at the same price as enabled PCs.

 

Mr Vesterdorf indicated last month that, prima facie, some of Microsoft's arguments against the commission were "grounded," encouraging it to believe it can win the full case, but the commission believes this is normal at interim hearings and is determined to impose its will on the software group.

 

It refused to comment yesterday on Microsoft's decision, which came as no surprise, but, amid accusations that the group headed by Bill Gates has been lobbying the Bush administration for retaliatory measures against European firms, it wants to press ahead with the full case. This may not be concluded until 2007 or 2008.

 

Microsoft argues that Windows without Media Player is "degraded" and will damage both consumers and software manufacturers. The company's backers suggest that Europeans will be forced to pay billions more for PCs.





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Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 6:38pmSanction this postReply
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Although I'm a hardcore Mac user, I must say I'm still disgusted by this blatant attack against a successful company simply because it is successful.

Adam

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Sunday, February 6, 2005 - 10:22pmSanction this postReply
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Well I have all my favorite parts of a computer and I use Microsoft products religiously. This just pisses me off but you can't get a fair case from the socialists even if they did win out here in America.

I use Windows Xp although a different shell then Explorer. I don't use Windows Media Player because its bulkey and uses too much memory but I like its codecs. I only buy my motherboards from Asus, my video cards from ATI, my processors from Intel, most of my hard drives from WD (except my system drive, Seagate is the best there), and most of my modding parts from Antec. I want everything Microsoft offers free and then the choice to install or not install it. That said, I'll take everything they offer becasue even though I can offer my sugestions, it isn't my right to tell them what or what not to sell and if I don't like it, there's always Linux (I'd grap a pin and paper before I use a mac)

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Monday, February 7, 2005 - 2:44amSanction this postReply
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If you hate what the EU antitrust lawyers have done to Microsoft, you'll love what they tried in response: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119502,00.asp

Basically, since they would no longer be allowed to bundle a Media Player with Windows (one which, by the way, is superior to all other media players save Quicktime and iTunes), Microsoft decided to name their European version "Windows XP Reduced Media Edition!" They were basically flipping the EU regulators the bird, and at the same providing consumers an accurate description of the product they'd be purchasing.

Well, the regulators wouldn't have it. They thought the name was too unappealing and have ordered Microsoft to change it. I guess they just can't figure out whether they want Microsoft to be making more money, or less.

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Monday, February 7, 2005 - 11:52amSanction this postReply
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You would think that the European Justice system was working for Microsoft's competitors. As always with these meddling Government's, we end up paying twice!!! Once as Tax Payers and then again as Consumers!!!

What corrupt, manipulative and conniving Bastards!!!

They deserve to be Fire-Walled!!!





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Tuesday, February 8, 2005 - 11:43pmSanction this postReply
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The interesting thing about this whole case is that Windows Media Player is free.

The "competing" software is also free.

Even though I received Windows Media Player bundled in with my software (and had to download two free updated versions since then); it failed to prevent me from downloading Realplayer, WinAmp, Quicktime, DivX Player, and I-Tunes.

So how does it stifle competition???

Does this mean software companies in the EU aren't any good??


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Friday, February 11, 2005 - 2:00amSanction this postReply
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I can't understand the mentality that says that bundled software is anti-competitive . What sort of reason can prompt a person to say that I can or cannot sell what I want to sell , and what I want to to bundle with it ?

I'd say that MS rename it - "Reduced media thanks to stupid laws in your idiotic country" edition .

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Friday, February 11, 2005 - 8:40amSanction this postReply
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A friend of mine said he was hoping they'd rename it the European Commission Edition.

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