Jeanine Ring, Prostitution etc

This incident began with my last paragraph of Post #15 on the Kant thread. Believe it or not, it was Luke that set me off and not JR. When Luke suggested how JR would be a ‘convincing’ person to write an article about ‘sex-work’. My comments were to Luke Setzer, and are as follows:

Later you (Luke) stated: My understanding is that Amy (Hayden) argued that sex is too important a value to market morally through prostitution and stripping. She did, and I agree. By the way Luther, I don't know you well enough to know how much of the seedier side of life you have been exposed to, but I can assure you that within the hierarchy of status among prostitutes, the term 'courtesan' would be reserved for a tiny (miniscule) minority of hookers. It would entail at an absolute minimum for the prostitute (male or female) to be drop-dead stone-cold gorgeous to get away with using the term 'courtesan' in the first place. Otherwise such a pretentious title for selling ones ass would cause howls of laughter and ridicule. The reality for the most part is, people that are far from attractive making ends meet by selling their ass every now and then. Most hookers do it for drug money, and still others to fulfill fantasies that have become obsessions (especially true of male hookers). Much of the crap you have been reading in this forum lately is a game of mind fuck being played under the assumption that the audience is naive enough to buy it.

As you can see, my initial remark was solely aimed at JRs veracity in the picture he had painted of himself, and the bullshit picture that he was trying to paint of prostitution.

In Post #16 JR ends with a PS that responds to my agreeing with Amy Hayden, he says: On 'sacred sex'; I hope I never meet Amy Hayden, because if I do I will not be able to restrain myself from slapping her until she bleeds. 

Then in Post #18 JR says to me, “, let me identify reality as I see it and name you an ignorant, prejudiced bigot, who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about concerning prostitution,…. And …As for you, well, frankly, your philosophy deserves you.  You show the raw nature of the bourgeois ethic well and better than I ever could.”

At which point I thought to myself, - fuck this ugly little bastard, from now on it’s cold and blunt.

My next post #21 was my first “Mister Ring” reference and was my response as to why I did not believe his ‘courtesan’ drivel, it can be summed up with this statement I made, “I do not believe you are good-looking enough to be a high class prostitute that can play pretense games with words like courtesan. I think you can only sell that on the web, when it comes to selling ass I would say you would be K- Mart and not even Macy's.”

Post 23 summed up my entire attitude towards JR, it reads: “Luke, I agree. I could care less about the pretentious claptrap that Mr. Ring likes to comment on. What hit my nerve, was the fact that Mr. Ring consistently bashes Objectivism, and sings the praises of hedonism, extreme leftist politics, and new age theism. For the most part he has gotten a pass by everyone (including myself), because he bashes politely and with a nice play on words from time to time. But I have grown tired of his Objectivism pounding, and his preaching hedonistic nonsense. I have also grown tired of his having to remind us in everyone of his fucking post that he is a high class prostitute, with a tone of, "isn't that just the cutest thing". I don't buy that crap for a second. Nor is his selling of ass a particular virtue in my code of values. He can sell it all he wants, but it's past time to shut the fuck up about it. Besides, the amount of time he spends on this board and his 'war and peace' length post, sure as hell indicates a lack of buyers. Luke, had you or I made some of the same statements about Objectivism (and objectivist) that Mr. Ring has, we would have been challenged right away and with great 'bluntness'. Oh well, I just thought it was time that the so-called 'courtesan' be called on his nonsense.

That’s it, no more no less. After that all my post were responses to people questioning my rationale. They were not directed to JR personally, because in a previous post he had quit the forum. All of the melodramatic descriptions of JRs innocent, unprovoked mauling at my hands are overstated. I ask the readers to go back and read the exchanges chronologically, and judge for themselves.

I will say it again; the hand ringing mourning over JR is astonishing in light of his statements on this forum (his actual statements, not our psycho-analytical projections of what we divine his statements really meant).

For most of you, your reactions to my ‘tone and style’ are ones that I can understand; you feel a genuine compassion towards another, I respect that. And in that sense, I do regret a manner of exchange whose abrasiveness bothered many.

Others however are being very disingenuous with their feigned concern, and affected righteous indignation. Your duplicitous motives are not hard to discern.

Adam Reed says in his last post, “Jeanine came here without a mask…”

Are you fucking kidding me!? Everything about JR was one endless series of masks. One pile of bullshit, piled upon another.

Here is my bottom line regarding this little creep: I do not buy any of his bullshit. None, nada, zilch, zero.

I don’t buy his hedonism, paganism, pacifism, ect.., nor do I buy into his transgender courtesan crap. Based on his appearance and his statements, the overwhelming probability is that he’s just another part-time gay hooker playing the night scene in San Fran. He’s about as genuine as the same types that are seen doing interviews on Jerry Springer and Montel Williams.

So my response to him can be summed up in four words, “Bullshit, you’re a fraud”. You cannot separate his ideas from the persona of JR the courtesan; he intertwined them in his every post. He ran away not because someone struck at the “very core” of his “sensitive soul”. He ran away because someone finally exposed his persona as a fraud, and called him on his nutty ideas. I think I found a bride for Stoly.  

Now you either buy into JRs bullshit, or you don’t. For those that don’t know it, I live in Florida. So those of you that do buy into the “hooker with a heart of gold” – please give me a call – I got some swampland to sell you.

George

(Edited by George W. Cordero on 12/25, 2:45pm)

Much of the crap you have been reading in this forum lately is a game of mind fuck being played under the assumption that the audience is naive enough to buy it.

As you can see, my initial remark was solely aimed at JRs veracity in the picture he had painted of himself, and the bullshit picture that he had painted of prostitution.