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Tuesday, June 4, 2002 - 4:55pmSanction this postReply
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I have been working on developing several new compositions in the past few months (which would explain my absence from the regular SOLO forum) and I was wondering if anyone was interested in listening to anything that I have been working on. I have always wanted to share my music with all of the fine SOLOists out there. If no one is interested, I'll just have to wait till I have earned enough money to attend a SOLO conference.

Pianoman

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Wednesday, June 5, 2002 - 1:30amSanction this postReply
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I'm surprised no one else jumped at this yet, but I'm interested. How were you thinking about playing them for us?

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Thursday, June 6, 2002 - 9:10pmSanction this postReply
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I'm definitely interested! How can I listen to it? Do you have it available in a digital format? If so, email me at mballin1@earthlink.net.

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Friday, June 7, 2002 - 6:11amSanction this postReply
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I tried to post a message a few days ago to say that I'd love to hear your music. But there was a technical glitch and I got distracted.

If you're selling CDs have you thought about using PayPal to accept payments?

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Monday, June 10, 2002 - 2:38pmSanction this postReply
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I'm interested as well -- I was wondering what happened to you Pianoman! And I'm glad you were making music! :)

I'm still learning my way around this site but I'll check back here or on the SOLO list to see how we can listen to your music. I have a Paypal account. *grin* Love it!


Joy :)

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Monday, June 10, 2002 - 6:16pmSanction this postReply
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Well, I have just about everything in midi format. Once I get enough money and time, I'm going to make some nice mp3's of all my work. I like working with midi format data because the files are extremely small compared to mp3's. As for CD's I will need about $10,000 to finance production of about half that many CDs. I figure that such a step will probably take years for me to reach as I will have years of student loans to pay off first! I would like to know if there is a way that midi's could be downloaded from this site as I'm a teensy bit ignorant about constructing web sites and running them.

Pianoman

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Monday, June 10, 2002 - 6:18pmSanction this postReply
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BTW, Thanks for the interest in my work!

Pianoman

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Monday, June 10, 2002 - 7:35pmSanction this postReply
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Hey Pianoman,

Send me some midi's, and I'll figure out how to put them up. Maybe send me one to start.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 8:44amSanction this postReply
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I've got about 198MB free on my disk quota at ProHosting. If you were to zip up the MIDIs and send them to me I'd happily put them up.

Also, have you heard of "tracking"? It works like a cross between MIDI and programming, with the samples included with the sequences. Have a look at United Trackers, and read the introductory FAQs. I'm going to try it this weekend; there's a little melody knocking about my head that I'd like to get down; maybe with harp, piano, violin, and electric guitar.

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Monday, July 1, 2002 - 1:47pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry it took a while to get back. I'm putting on finishing touches to my midi projects. I would be glad to zip them but my zip drive is external and the power supply has gone haywire(!#@&). I've not tried United trackers because it sounds as if it is mostly into sampling using Wintel technology. Sampling is really not my thing, though I use a great deal of MIDI technology.

If they had useful information for Macintosh(which is much more adept for music[and everything else for that matter]) I would look into it more carefully. If you have access to a Mac and a MIDI instrument, you should get Mark of the Unicorn's Digital Performer. If you are interested in printing out scores, a great program for that is Coda's Finale. You can do all of what United Trackers talk about with a lot more ease and fun. All I need to know is if whoever I'm sending them to runs a PC or a Mac. I'll try to have everything sent by Saturday.

Pianoman

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Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 6:12pmSanction this postReply
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Aside from pianoman's work, does anyone know of any objectivist/capitalist/libertarian punk or rock bands? I listen to pennywise and I think a lot of their lyrics are good. Given the attraction of teenagers/early 20s to Rand's work I'm surprised there aren't more bands singing about objectivism. Have I overlooked anyone besides Rush?

-Brad

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Monday, December 16, 2002 - 1:11pmSanction this postReply
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I never thought I'd ever see anyone mention those descriptions all at once in an Objectivist forum!

I don't know any bands other than Rush that are inspired directly by Objectivism, but I can think of a few that are musically highly developed, and overall have a non-nihilistic message.

I recommend King Crimson, particularly their recording "Discipline". Robert Fripp, founder of the band since the 60's, is one of the most innovative forces in modern music, and works with a revolving group of genius musicians. This is very experimental work (as usual for them) but is astoundingly multi-faceted, mathematically breath-taking, and passionately created. They aren't Objectivist per se, but they are brilliantly talented and original...and work hard at it. Also, some of Fripp's views on art and music sound very Objectivist to me.

As far as punk bands, I've grown up with it since the early 80's and still listen to it. A lot of punks are into an inexplicable blend of anarchy/collectivist ideals. I too would love to hear if there are any honest to goodness Capitalist/Libertarian punk bands out there.

I would stick with some of the "Oi" or Ska influenced bands, as they often have more positive lyrics. I love The Dropkick Murphys, a working-class Irish punk outfit from my hometown of Boston. They have fun with what they do, and it shows. Lots of people think punk rock is about chaotic noise and muddle...the Dropkicks put this myth to rest. There is also Fishbone, an older group that puts out energetic Afro-ska-punk. They have socially conscious lyrics and a musical style that I like to think of as inspired by an uncontainable and defiant happiness. Other bands that come to mind are Operation Ivy and Agnostic Front.

I wish I knew some proclaimed Libertarian/Objectivist bands out there. Does anyone? I keep thinking about starting one!

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Monday, December 16, 2002 - 4:13pmSanction this postReply
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Alison says to look for "Lisa Suckdog (who writes "Rollerderby" magazine)". This is the name of the woman, and possibly her band also. She, and the magazine, are "very capitalist".

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Monday, December 16, 2002 - 5:50pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, you guys! All this talk of punk and ska; I am relapsing into musical nihilism. It took me many, many hours at the Lindsay Perigo Clinic to detox from that stuff! :)

The Fenwicks are an eclectic (although I don’t like that word) ska band that are explicitly pro-Objectivist. I believe they even gigged for some ARI-related events.

Back in the day, I used to enjoy West Coast bands Green Day and Blink-182. Green Day, in particular, is strongly anti-authority (not that that's a virtue in itself.) 'Minority' is an anthem to individualism and 'Walking Contradiction' seems to be a swipe at modern philosophy. "Constant refutation of myself/I'm a victim of a catch-22." That one's for you, Bryan Register!

Perhaps Herr Pierson has something to say on the virtues of The Pixies? :)

This discussion's been had many times before. On the whole, I think it's difficult to reconcile some particular musical styles (e.g. metal, punk, rap) with Objectivism. But certainly, individualist spirit is alive in very rare instances. (Some might say, "Jewels amongst the sewerage.")

G

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 4:03amSanction this postReply
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Ha. If I remember rightly Glenn, didn't you discharge yourself early from the LP detox Clinic? I was jealous while strapped in my straight-jacket in the post-nihilist rehab ward. :)

You won't catch me being drawn into outlining the virtues of the Pixies here. Some things are best kept to the privacy of your own home. :) Not that I have anything shameful to hide. Oh no. I guess it's just that there's better virtues to explore.

Nice to be reminded of Fripp. I heard him play in Amsterdam. It was so civilised. I'd put his music in the rationalist category. Not a lot of memorable tunes; more like sonic surgery.

But why the quest for Objectivist bands? Is that not like looking for Objectivist deoderant? When what you want is just good deoderant?

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 4:21amSanction this postReply
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Forgive me if I seem naive, but how does music relate to a philosophical movement such as Objectivism?

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 5:23amSanction this postReply
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Merryn,

The esthetics of Objectivism holds that art has a purpose. Since art has a purpose, we can evaluate particular examples of art, such as pieces of music, to see how well they fulfill that purpose.

For more information, please see our page on esthetics and the relevant articles within that category.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 9:28amSanction this postReply
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"This discussion's been had many times before. On the whole, I think it's difficult to reconcile some particular musical styles (e.g. metal, punk, rap) with Objectivism. But certainly, individualist spirit is alive in very rare instances. (Some might say, "Jewels amongst the sewerage.")"

It's an old discussion, I'm sure. (And tired.)

"Back in the day", a decade or more before Green Day and Blink 182, I was listening exclusively to early punk and what they now call "alternative". It was not so hard to find "jewels". Most of the music was brought about by those who were questioning philosophies/religions/politics/culture that did not make sense to them, and the lyrics as well as the musical styles were highly individualistic and probing. To say that the individualist spirit is rare to find is inaccurate. The music was born about by the very individualist spirit you claim is so rare.

I think that some answers these artists came to could not be reconciled with Objectivism. The movement was filled with unexamined contradictions. But, if one thing above all could be reconciled was the sense of individualism they strove for and the fun they had doing it. These “punks” were not mindless Nazi’s, as I read in another thread. But sweeping judgements of that sort seem to be popular with some Objectivists. Although I understand the arguments made on the aesthetic level and how it pertains to Objectivism and The Romantic Manifesto, I really see these kinds of remarks as ill-informed.

Oh…and I seem to remember Rand’s favorite music was “Tiddly-Wink Music”, whatever that is. It doesn’t sound like anything too sophisticated or grandiose to me, or filled with heady lyrical content. It sounds like FUN. And a lot of punk, believe it or not, is downright fun. I think that some of the folks here that are so unforgiving towards any other music that is not smacking of loftiness and heroism would find “Tiddly-Wink Music” rather pedestrian, if it weren’t that Rand loved it so.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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Sam wrote:

"I was jealous while strapped in my straight-jacket in the post-nihilist rehab ward."

Really? *I* was jealous when *you* got strapped in... :)

G.

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Tuesday, December 17, 2002 - 2:52pmSanction this postReply
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Jeff:
With regard to evaluating pieces of music, I think it should be kept in mind that Rand herself said, in her essay Art and Cognition: "Until a conceptual vocabulary is discovered and defined, NO OBJECTIVELY VALID CRITERION OF ESTHETIC JUDGMENT IS POSSIBLE IN THE FIELD OF MUSIC. (There are certain technical criteria, dealing mainly with the complexity of harmonic structures, but there are no criteria for identifying the CONTENT, i.e., the emotional meaning of a given piece of music and thus demonstrating the esthetic objectivity of a given response.)" In this connection, I just posted an item about some recent scientific research in the area of music on The Light of Reason, at http://blog.light-of-reason.com/. I think that story shows that we still have an enormous amount to learn about musical responses, and that the hard work has really only just begun.

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