| | A dialogue from another forum: my responses to a believer of the government version of 9/11:
"I personally am not convinced by any of the ambiguous "evidence" for any of the theories which you are identifying as "conspiracy" theories. The main reason is, it would require too many people to keep a secret--which in government circles has never been possible except very short term (e.g. Pearl Harbor). The 9/11 event, if planned, would require too many people and too many logistic problems to be pulled off by a government agency. There is plenty of well documented incompetence that allowed it to happen, but to suppose those same incompetents could have pulled of such an elaborate scheme intentionally is just to much of a stretch."
You don't believe that even the might of the US government is competent enough to plan and execute such an elaborate plot as the 9/11 massacre, yet how could you also believe that a ragtag band of Muslims were able to do it, to penetrate US defenses and carry it out without inside help? Besides, even if you could grant a tremendous amount of benefit of the doubt to the government that they weren't complicit and were merely incompetent, how could you grant that they were so multiply, massively incompetent on that morning, and only that morning? (Refer to the article, "Conspiracy and Closed Minds on 9/11", by the economics professor and ex-government economist I posted previously.)
Judgments about incompetence versus complicity, or about secrecy and whistleblowers, should begin with remembering such ideas as "compartmentalization", "need to know basis", "classified for national security", "fear of reprisals", "accidental deaths","disappearances". Besides, with the institutionalized altruist-collectivist justification of "for the greater good of the country", any sacrifice, including murder of innocents, is deemed acceptable.
"The question I have is this. Suppose it were a conspiracy? What difference would it make. Conspiracy or not, we have the Homeland Security Act, and all the horrors of suppression and loss of privacy that go along with it, to say nothing of the huge change in executive power of the presidency."
The difference is that if the government is exposed as complicit in the massacre, and the perpetrators are brought to trial for conviction, it could lead to the dismantling of the present collectivist form of government and a transformation to an individualist, autonomist one. More immediately, it would finally bring true justice to the thousands who were murdered that morning. And don't forget the hundreds of thousands killed under false pretexts in the war.
"The West is collapsing froim the daul threats of a total loss of Western principles brought about by the imposition of postmodernist relativism and pc multiculturalism on the one hand and the threat of Islam on the other; both things we can know for certain, without the wild convoluted mental gymmastics required for conjecture about some 9/11 conspiracy. While people have their minds occupied with conspiracy theories, the real threat to individual liberty, the ever accelerating growth of government oppression in every area of our lives and the rapidly coalescing world government are taking place before everyone's eyes, but no one notices because they are to busy looking at conspiracy theories, which, even if true and proven, will not matter a pickle in the grand scheme of things."
Your characterization of "the wild convoluted mental gymmastics required for conjecture about some 9/11 conspiracy" aptly applies to the conspiracy theory that is the official government's story, which is full of illogic and inconsistencies, is contrary to facts and evidence, relies on pleas of massive, yet unpunished incompetence -- claiming that it was all mere coincidence that the US defence all failed at the same time and failed for the months prior to 9/11. Besides, look carefully at the fall of the towers (1, 2, and 7), and try to convince yourself you're not seeing them exploding and being pulverized BEFORE they even start falling.
The "ever accelerating growth of government oppression" and the expose of government complicity in the 9/11 massacre are not mutually exclusive, unrelated events. Seeking the truth about 9/11 is not mere idle past-time. 9/11 is not only the pretext for "the war on terrorism" (an endless war because "terorism" is an undefined term), but is also the justification for the very "accelerating growth of government oppression" you are worried about.
I wrote, in response to a similar attitude at another forum:
9/11 (and the destruction and oppression that continues to be justified by it) matters because it is a concrete, horrifying manifestation --and expose-- of the philosophical enemy that I fight: mysticism-altruism-collectivism... The exposing of 9/11 is...a means to hastening the downfall of collectivism.
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