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Post 80

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 4:29pmSanction this postReply
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She seems to fulfill a high calling in the realm of wife and motherdom. Is this something with which women can be happy?
Perhaps a lot of women feel this way, that society expects them to be shallow, not serious and meaningful. Is it that way, girls?
Nick,
You ask these questions, yet you said early that "One has to look around a lot to find something to which women contributed."  What do you think? Is Ma Joad's contribution to society significant enough? Does she must also "design and built the buildings, pave the roads, design and built and maintained the automobiles..." in order to be considered equal to men?  And, does society (and yourself) expect women to be "shallow, not serious and meaningful"? What's your opinion?



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Friday, August 25, 2006 - 5:55pmSanction this postReply
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Other than giving birth to children, there aren't signficant differences between what men and women can do. They are both equally human and should have equal rights. I am the one who presented an affirmative case for allowing women in combat if they want and can meet the same standards as men.

There are societal roles and expectations for women. In some cases, they have kept women from acheiving their potentials.

Things have come a long way in western civilization from the times when women could not vote or own property, but, as I pointed out, as Dorothy Parker pointed out, there is still a long way to go.

Yes, Ma Joad was the backbone of her family. She played an important role. However, she was not one of those men who learned something from the experience in The Grapes of Wrath. She was stuck in her role.

Certainly we need Ma Joads, and some women will choose to be in that role. I think it would be good, though, if women can choose other roles also if they wish, like working in construction and technology, like being in ground combat.

I like women who are my equal. They don't have to spit and use the "F" word in every sentence, but they should be able to talk philosophy with me without getting all offended, telling me how unpleasant I am, and running away. I like women, and men, who like to take stands and make their lives matter. I don't like stupid girls, do you?

bis bald,

Nick


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Friday, August 25, 2006 - 8:54pmSanction this postReply
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Nick,
You answered neither of my questions.
BTW, I don't like stupid guys either. 


Post 83

Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:15pmSanction this postReply
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I answered your questions to the best of my ability, and with more than two sentences. 

You asked me what I thought and what my opinion was about whether or not Ma Joad contributed enough and whether or not it was equal to what men contributed. I compared and contrasted her role with the role of men and said where I think women should have more freedom. I also went into detail about what I like and expect from women, and it is clearly not to be shallow.

On the whole, I think I would get along well with someone like Dorothy Parker. She thinks society expects women to be shallow, and she clearly isn't.

If you don't like talking to me, go talk to someone else. I don't live my life to please you.

BTW, you didn't answer my question.

Nick 


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