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Post 40

Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 4:37pmSanction this postReply
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Fascism is still a variation of socialism, so - big deal...
Fascism is a variation of statism, not a variation of socialism.

- Bill

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Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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Then you're claiming nazism is not socialism?


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Post 42

Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 5:33pmSanction this postReply
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Nazism was not fascism...

Now we're splitting hairs. Non of these systems are RIGHT.

Andy.

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Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 6:12pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you, Andrew.

Ed


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Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 6:48pmSanction this postReply
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Quite correct, Andrew - and the point was that, in essence, they all're the same: adhering to the screed of "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"...

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Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 9:32pmSanction this postReply
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He was named Benito after Mexican reformist President Benito Juárez; the names Andrea and Amilcare were for Italian socialists Andrea Costa and Amilcare Cipriani. ... Like his father, who was a member of the first Socialist International, Benito became a socialist.  ... and a second attempt to deport him was halted when Swiss socialist parliamentarians held an emergency debate to discuss his treatment.  .. he did office work for the local socialist party and edited its newspaper L'Avvenire del Lavoratore ...  he joined the staff of the "Central Organ of the Socialist Party"  ... The word "Fascio" had existed in Italian politics for some time. A section of revolutionary syndicalists broke with the Socialists over ...  Both a movement and a historical phenomenon, Italian Fascism was, in many respects, an adverse reaction to both the perceived failure of laissez-faire economics and fear of international Bolshevism ... While failing to outline a coherent program, fascism evolved into a new political and economic system that combined corporatism, totalitarianism, nationalism, and anti-Communism in a state designed to bind all classes together under a capitalist system. This was a new capitalist system, however, one in which the state seized control of the organization of vital industries. ... During his 21-year rule, Mussolini launched several public construction programs and government initiatives throughout Italy to combat economic setbacks or unemployment levels. His earliest was Italy's equivalent of the Green Revolution, known as the "Battle of the Grain", which saw ... by encouraging the public to voluntarily donate gold jewellery such as necklaces and wedding rings to government officials in exchange for steel armbands bearing the words "Gold for the Fatherland". ... Mussolini played up to his financial backers at first by transferring a number of industries from public to private ownership. But by the 1930s he had begun moving back to the opposite extreme of rigid governmental control of industry. ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini


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Monday, June 19, 2006 - 6:40amSanction this postReply
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Robert wrote:

Fascism is still a variation of socialism, so - big deal...


Whatever it is, at the risk of being misunderstood when I say this, although Fascism is evil and deserves condemnation, Fascism and Communism are not morally equivalent. Communism is worst. At least under China's Fascism, there still is some economic freedom. I refuse to look at freedom as a zero-sum game. The United States can probably be considered a Fascist-lite country, but it is a far better country to live in than any Communist country.

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Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:03amSanction this postReply
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Quite correct, Andrew - and the point was that, in essence, they all're the same: adhering to the screed of "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"...
Robert, that's not correct. You need to become better acquainted with the different statist ideologies. Fascism is not represented by the principle "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs." That's communism.

To be sure, both ideologies champion an authoritarian state, but there is a difference in theoretical justification. Fascists have never endorsed the principle "from each according to his ability to each according to his need." Their political banner is nationalism or service to the state as an end in itself.

- Bill

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