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Post 20

Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 6:54amSanction this postReply
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Robert E. Milenberg (post 18):
She further stipulates that all concepts are formed from perceptual information ...
Where? Rand did write:

All concepts are formed by first differentiating two or more existents from other existents. (ITOE, 12)
Certain categories of concepts of consciousness require special consideration. These are concepts pertaining to the products of psychological processes, such as "knowledge," "science," "idea," etc. (ITOE, 12)
Methinks Mr. Milenberg's claim is an overgeneralization, bypassing introspection. I'm not trying to nitpick, and agree with most of post 18. Indeed, it addresses emotion-based thought, which is largely introspective.


(Edited by Merlin Jetton on 6/24, 7:18am)


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Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 9:34amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Milenberg,

 

You write, “That is true.  But the argument for atheism is an essentially and irredeemably epistemological one and therefore there is no other way to do it.”

 

But the vast majority of people do not even know what “epistemology” means – not to mention being able to understand the epistemological argument for atheism. If your way were fully implemented and every atheist followed your advice of only making the argument you presented, then atheism would virtually die out – because even the vast majority of atheists are not atheists for epistemological reasons. If you reject their particular reasons for being atheists (and, most undesirably, convince them that their reasons are wrong), then they might as well embrace religion, because religion comes easier than atheism to most people – especially those with a religious upbringing.

 

Surely, you do not want atheism to become virtually extinct because of the desire to argue for it only in the “purest” or the “most fundamental” manner. Your epistemological argument is valid, but it has tremendously limited applicability. Anyone without at least an I. Q. of 120, an upper-middle-class cultural upbringing, considerable leisure time, and interest in philosophy (from whose explicit formulations most people run away like from the plague) would not even be able to understand it, much less agree with it. It has its uses, but it must be one of thousands of arguments employed if atheists are ever to make any intellectual headway.

 

I have a few ideas as to why most atheists believe as they do. In “Atheism Myths and Facts,” I describe several commonly held reasons for atheism. Most of them are much more directly concrete than your argument. (I understand that your argument is grounded in the concrete, natural world, but most people would be unable to follow the abstract reasoning that you use in it. This is not to suggest any failing on their part; they simply have not had years of philosophical training.)

 

You write, “You may say that you have convinced yourself not to believe in a "god" by Pascal's Wager, but your reasoning presumes the defineability and provability of concepts of the supernatural, and thus have by implication surrendered rational epistemology to mysticism.  What good does it do to save yourself from the belief in a god in particular if you accept the basis for believing in all forms of supernatural in general?“

 

I have not convinced myself to disbelieve in God by Pascal’s Wager. I only used the Pascal’s Wager assumptions for the sake of argument, which is different from actually believing them.

 

Knowing how to argue the implications of premises one does not necessarily accept is the key to getting anyone to agree with one on anything. Once again, I refer you to “Focusing on Conclusions in Persuasion.”

 

The statements in my article where I turn around Pascal’s Wager on the believer and show how it can be used to support atheism were a device to get the believer thinking that perhaps Pascal’s Wager is not such a good tactical approach after all, since it can be used to support atheism just as well.

 

If you want to know why I truly do not believe in a god, then I recommend that you read my “Five Arguments for the Non-Existence of God.” Nothing less will do if you actually want to understand what I believe and why, as opposed to trying to generalize out of context on the basis of a few statements which I intended in a completely different way from the one in which you interpreted them.

 

Moreover, I not only reject the Christian God, I reject all ideas of the supernatural. As evidence, I present my essay, “The Absurd Superstition of the Paranormal.” What I actually say and write is a much better indication of whether or not I embrace the supernatural than any rather tenuous implications you might draw from a two-sentence statement of mine.

 

I would welcome your response to this post, but only if and when you have read the materials linked above. Otherwise, your comments would simply not be applicable to anything I have actually said or actually believe. 

 

My purpose in writing this was in part to respond to you and in part to make a more general point. There is a world out there, to which these ideas are relevant! It matters whether or not people are actually convinced by arguments regarding these ideas. The fact of holding particular ideas is, furthermore, much more important than the reasons for which one holds them, because it is a person’s conclusions and not his arguments for them that determine how he lives and acts. Therefore, to reject commonly appealing reasons for correct ideas, simply because one has a nit to pick with these reasons, is tactically and strategically suicidal. If free markets, rational individualism, secularism, and any of the other ideas I assume we hold are to make any headway whatsoever, then we must not try to destroy the tools other advocates of these ideas use, no matter how imperfect these tools might be in our understanding.

 

Sincerely,
Gennady Stolyarov II

Editor-in-Chief, The Rational Argumentator: http://rationalargumentator.com

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Post 22

Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 4:23pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Stolyarov,

You are mistaken to believe that it is necessary to have only the right answer and that the logic leading to it is inconsequential.  The purpose of a line of logic is to show the relationship between two or more concepts.  This shown relationship must be consistent with the standard of truth, which is reality.  Now if a line of logic is used to show this relationship which does not actually do so, but is claimed to do so anyway, what is actually being asserted is that a false relationship between these concepts is actually a true one, and thus that A is non-A, violating the law of identity.  It is important to see that this violation will occur even if the shown relationship is actually true, because a false representation of reality is nonetheless still being asserted.  Thus, it is not possible to separate logic from its corresponding conclusion without separating one or both from reality, thus removing the standard of truth and corrupting the validity of one or both.  Thus, it must be accepted all conclusions must be consistent with the logic that produces them, and vice versa.  Further, in general a line of reasoning consists of many premises and conclusions which precede the final result.  If these former premises and conclusions are not restricted by the same standard of truth as the final conclusion, then a smattering of false premises and random conclusions which bear no coherent relationship to the final conclusion will result.  This corrupts the very process of truth finding so that no truth will ever result.  

If truth is divorced from logic then philosophy, as well as the whole of knowledge itself, reduces to a con game.  The ''truths" that are imparted to the masses in this manner will last only until the next con artist comes along to mislead them again.  It should be pointed out that there is philosophy which is advanced in precisely this manner.  It is called religion, and it is a fine illustration of the kind of philosophy and understanding which results from this process. 

It is important also to see that the congruence of a truth and its supporting logic with reality is an end point beyond which further consideration is impossible.  Until this point is reached, no "truth" is truly proven or logic truly correct or either guaranteed of permanence.  To win the battle for atheism, and win it permanently, or any other point of knowledge, then showing both of these correspondences must be done. 

Therefore, for both of these reasons, it is necessary to have the right answer and for the right reason.  

On the point of "nit picking" your logic, I must conclude that you have yet failed to understand my meaning, so I will repeat it one last time.  If an argument is presented against believing in a "god" in a way that implies the validity of concepts of supernaturalism, (and this is what you did) then you have acknowledged the valid existence of these concepts, and from here the mystic can proceed to make up what ever he pleases, and since you have simultaneously surrendered reason there is no hope of rationally invalidating it.  This is not a trivial point here, it is the essence of the problem. 

Now you also write that this complicates matters and makes it more difficult to bring others to understanding.  This is not the case.  Requiring a rational definition of "god" and refusing to proceed until it is presented sweeps away all arguments for the existence of a god, and reduces the whole matter to the essential problem of definition.  This simplifies it immensely and aids in bringing others to proper understanding.  However, cluttering the field of the debate with many irrelevant considerations does complicate it and proportionately increases this difficulty.  And should the additional mistake be made of introducing arguments which imply the correctness of the mystic's position, it is then that you commit "suicide."

If this is anyway makes the education of the masses more difficult, there is nothing that can be done about it.  It should be remembered however that gaining the understanding of others depends not only on the complexity or difficulty of the subject, but also on one's ability to teach it.  Personally, I think I could explain any of the principles of rational philosophy to just about anyone of average intelligence and gain their understanding it not too long a time.


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Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 5:55pmSanction this postReply
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Method Matters More

I concur fully, Robert. A person who knows how to reason, but makes a mistake, can correct his error when he finds it. A man who mistakenly hits upon the correct answer for the wrong reason will not know where to begin when his other flaws tie up his mind in knots. The Greeks using trigonometry calculated the size of the Earth and the distance to the Sun. Their measurements were somewhat inaccurate, but their methods were correct. No amount of guessing in the two millennia after them would reach a better answer, and if it did, there would have been no way to know the answer was correct.

In the meantime we had Bishop Ussher and other Biblical literalists who "knew" that the Earth was created in 4,004 BC, while Hindu cosmologers "knew" that universes lasted for 4,320,000 years. Did the Hindus know better than the Christians? Not at all. Neither guess was based on observation but upon rationalism.

Two centuries ago, Hutton deduced from geological observations that the earth must be millions of years old. Kelvin, not knowing of radioactivity, concurred, using thermodynamics to show that a molten planet would need millions of years to cool off. These men were off by a factor of 100 to 1000 in their calculations.

The Hindu number was much closer to the "truth," but infinitely further from reality.

The earth was finally dated using the ratios of radioactive substances and their decay products in old rocks. Hutton and Kelvin had the wrong answer, but for the right reason - scientific observation and logical deduction. The answer matters, but the method matters most.

(Edited by Ted Keer on 6/26, 9:01pm)


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Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 5:13pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Milenberg,


I am interested to see your extrapolation on the comments above before I proceed to respond to them in greater detail. In particular, you wrote:

 

“It should be remembered however that gaining the understanding of others depends not only on the complexity or difficulty of the subject, but also on one's ability to teach it.  Personally, I think I could explain any of the principles of rational philosophy to just about anyone of average intelligence and gain their understanding it not too long a time.”

 

I am highly interested as to how you would go about doing this – assuming that you are faced with a person of average intelligence, who has not studied philosophy either formally or in his leisure time, whose principal sources of information have been the “mainstream media,” who is “softly” religious (i.e., an occasional churchgoer who has not thought about the philosophical implications of his beliefs, as most American Christians are today), and who is much more interested in the concretes immediately surrounding him than he is in any kinds of abstractions. His vocabulary does not extend beyond the words employed by the majority of Americans on an everyday basis to enable them to get through their day.

 

How would you start communicating your ideas to such a person, and what methods would you use to ensure that he remains receptive to your ideas throughout the process?

 

If, indeed, you have a method for conveying rational philosophy, I would like to know about it. If it works at convincing people, then I – and any other willing person who makes the effort to learn it – should be able to use it as well.

 

Sincerely,
Gennady Stolyarov II
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Post 25

Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 11:08pmSanction this postReply
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Objectivism is Made for Man, not Man for Objectivism.

Gennady, few of my friends are objectivists, and none of my family members or significant others have been. But I do approach such people incrementally by the method of shared values. I show how things that happen in the news or personal life which outrage them are due to the implementation of bad philosophical premises in culture, art, politics or personal relationships. I don't aim at conversion. I aim at showing how a rational philosophy supports those rational values which they themselves support.

I don't attack their religion or their quirks - these I may question Socratically. For example, do you really think God wants you to worship him as if he were Kim Jong-Il, and will punish you for honest mistakes or disbelief? Very few "soft" religious people imagine a deity in such terms, and they can be pushed towards deism if not atheism. My goal is not their destruction or their deconstruction, but to minimize the bad and to maximize the good. Praise a hard worker in your family for his work ethic, an artist for his passion for values, a mother for her dedication to raising children to become the best they can.

Validate their values. Get them to question their confused ideas. Introduce the Objectivist definition of selfishness or the idea of the stolen concept where you can and as appropriate. If they are Christian, quote scripture, if Jewish, the Torah. If they are conservative, show how GWB is failing by acting like a Democrat. If they are liberals, find out why, and show them better alternatives. You will hear these people speaking the same words back to you after a while, even if they remain religious or of mixed premises.

My current roommate is reading Atlas Shrugged. She simply asked me to recommend some books. Seeing she liked Crichton, I offered Heinlein and Rand mixed in with a few others. She is no Objectivist. I do not talk philosophy with her. But she tells me she has never read a female character that she could feel proud of. I said I was happy she enjoyed the book, and now she is reading Romantic Manifesto.

Above all, let people know that their own lives and happiness are more important to you and to them than is proven ideological purity. You, as an Objectivist, are not a cultist. You want happiness, not converts. Objectivism is made for man, not man for Objectivism. You will be pleased with the results.



(Edited by Ted Keer on 6/27, 8:05am)


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Friday, June 27, 2008 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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Ted,
Good post.  Another related technique was discussed by Barry Kayton here.  It's called The Ransberger Pivot.  Essentially you try to show that you and another person have a similar goal in mind, but you gently point out that your means are better.
Thanks,
Glenn


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Friday, June 27, 2008 - 7:58amSanction this postReply
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Ted,

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

It is true that proper method and proper reasoning are necessary in order to systematically get correct answers and, furthermore, to know that one’s answers are correct. For anybody making philosophical, scientific, mathematical, or economic discoveries, there are no ways around this.

 

The question, then, becomes one of who needs to be aware of the correct reasons for the correct answers.

 

After all, every person only has so much time to devote to various pursuits – and people, for whatever reasons, have a broad variety of interests and circumstantial constraints that guide them in how they choose to spend their time.

 

Certainly, it has never been the case that the majority or even a demographically significant minority of all people living at a particular time have contributed to the intellectual advancement that occurred during that time. Even during eras when, as a rule, more rational philosophies predominated (i.e., the 18th-century Enlightenment and the mid-19th century, which was dominated by

classical liberalism as derived from the British “Manchester” school), the vast majority of people were not aware of the philosophical justifications behind the “spirit of the times.” But many of them nonetheless embraced the values of individual freedom, meritocracy, hard work, delayed gratification, industrial progress, and scientific exploration of hitherto off-limits territory – the values suggested to them by the intellectuals and other prominent public figures of the time.

 

Nobody among us has enough time to find out the full reasoning behind everything we use and do. Consider the simple case of the computer. All of us certainly know how to use a computer and the Internet – at least in their basic functions. Some of us have more involved knowledge with computer software – which mostly relates to the specific ends we seek to accomplish on the computer. I, for instance, am able to do the HTML coding necessary to design my websites, but I do not know how or why the code works on a theoretical level. Still fewer of us know the inner workings of computer hardware, even though most of us know which plug goes into which port and how to set up a computer at a workstation. Decades of research by some of the best minds in all of human history went into creating a machine that people can use only with basic operational (as opposed to theoretical) knowledge.


Certainly, if we want computers to continue being designed and improved, someone needs to know how and why they work and what methods to pursue to improve them. But everyone or even a substantial minority cannot possibly know this. There are too many other jobs that need to be done and ideas that need to be pursued. Specialization and division of labor are wonderful in that they enable us to survive and flourish even though not one of us knows one-millionth of the fundamental ideas required to keep modern civilization functioning at its present level.

 

The same principle applies to philosophy. It is certainly necessary to have some rational philosophers who fully understand the reasons for every conclusion and the contradictory nature of many commonly used concepts (e. g., the concept of God). But few people have the leisure time, the intellectual training, and the patience to become rational philosophers. The rest of the people, however, can still make tremendous contributions to everyone’s well-being if they simply take the rational philosophers’ conclusions and go from there in their own pursuits (e. g., art, architecture, engineering, politics, and thousands of other specialized disciplines). But how do we get these people to accept the right conclusions? After all, they have their own minds and must be persuaded of whatever right conclusions they do not believe already. This persuasion is the job of the intellectual activist – who may or may not be a philosopher himself, but who recognizes what the right conclusions are and what the most effective methods are at conveying them.

 

I note that effective persuasion and communication is a highly context-based, pragmatic (with a small “p” and having nothing to do with John Dewey and William James) endeavor. If it were possible, as Mr. Milenberg seems to indicate, to convince people simply by laying out the fundamentals of a rational worldview and refusing to budge until those fundamentals are satisfactorily addressed, then we would have a wonderful future before us, almost guaranteed. But judging how ill-received rational ideas have been throughout history, I have my doubts. Many people have emotional or concrete-based inhibitions to fully accepting rational philosophy, and so getting them to embrace the whole of it is almost impossible. But it may be possible to convince them on particular issues where they are already more receptive or open to challenge.

 

I think you, Ted, have described a much more realistic, incremental approach in Post 25, with which I enthusiastically concur.

 

But then again, I have not seen the full outline of Mr. Milenberg’s approach, either, so I might be unaware of certain aspects which might ultimately render it effective. I await his response on this matter.

 

Sincerely,
Gennady Stolyarov II
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Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:51amSanction this postReply
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Friday, June 27, 2008 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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How to best convert people to the principles of rational philosophy is an interesting question.  I would follow these steps:

1) establish that man is a living being and must sustain his life.
2) show that man is a being of free will with no automatic knowledge or values.
3) draw the conclusion that because of these, philosophy is necessary.

then,

4a) show that reason is man's means to knowledge and that reality must be the standard
      of truth.
4b)show that the acquisition of values is man's means of survival and that life must be the
     standard of value.

Now if it is possible to get them this far, the rest will be easy because all else follows as a logical consequence, and even if they disagree with subsequent deductions, having these two fundamentals (4a & 4b) in place will make any deviations of second order importance rather than primary failures, and without these there is no point in continuing because no further progress can be made.  As I read Rand, this is the same way she approaches the problem.  

From here systematically deduce the rest of rational philosophy.  For example, start by establishing reason and life as moral values, then rationality and selfishness as the corresponding virtues.  Deduce other corollary virtues, independence, integrity, etc.  Then extend this personal morality to the political level by showing that only a free society allows their practice, thus all people must have the right to life, freedom, the product of his labor etc.   Most people would not have much interest in going further and for the purpose of bringing about a rational social order it would not be necessary, but if they are interested in epistemology and metaphysics, they could be added by showing how reason is used to form knowledge, explaining concept formation and validation, and that this process in turn requires a reality to form them about and to validate them with respect to, and then this in turn implies identity, causation, space, time, etc. 

Of course it is important not to talk past the student's intellectual capacities, the object being to gain understanding not to intellectually dominate, and also not to lose patience no matter how stupid or irrationally he may respond, the object being to teach, not to wage war.   

I do not think that finding common values with your prospective student is a good way to proceed.  The reason for this is that he may hold them for reasons that contradict rational philosophy.  For example, by the principles of rational philosophy all drugs should be legalized, and he may agree with this, but not as a consequence of political freedom but only because he wants to stuff himself full of them.  A commonality of this kind will not form the basis of a starting point.  Here again, it is not the answer alone that matters, but the reasons for it, and these reasons are contained in 4a & 4b. 

A significant problem that will be encountered is the moral corruption which they have picked up from the social environment, particularly religion, which will strongly prejudice them, but the biggest problem will be the evasion which is used to sustain it.  Since all people must sustain some level of rationality to survive theoretically no one would be completely beyond hope, but if they refuse to accept what is rationally proven it will not be possible to take them beyond that point, so it may be necessary to give up on some, perhaps many, people. 

That's how I would go about it. 


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Mr. Milenberg,


Thank you for your most recent post. The method you outlined would be extremely effective at presenting the underpinnings of a rational philosophy within certain contexts. Particularly, it would work in a mentor-student setting, with yourself as the mentor – formal or informal – who is by some means recognized as being in charge of directing the discussion and, in effect, teaching everyone else. Most likely, this approach would work best in a one-on-one setting and perhaps an extremely small group setting where a few hours are available for developing the points you have mentioned and addressing any questions and disagreements that might arise.

 

It might also work if one is lecturing to an audience for an extended period of time and is recognized as having the floor, or – better yet – if one is writing a philosophical treatise or some other extended work where this kind of extensive presentation is necessary and expected.

 

However, there exist other contexts where – for simple lack of time if nothing else – other approaches are necessary.

 

For instance, in most social conversations, there is no clear dominant party, and attempting to become the dominant party is seen as impertinent or even rude. And yet these conversations – among friends, co-workers, relatives, or even short-term acquaintances at a conference or other widely attended formal event – comprise a large fraction of human interactions. The expectation for these conversations is that each party contribute perhaps a few short sentences before letting someone else respond. If the conversation stays confined to small talk or concretes, all is well. But quite frequently, someone will insert a highly flawed “hard” religious or statist sentiment and will do so by using what seems to the majority of the group’s members as a rather catchy expression (what Ayn Rand called a “bromide”). 

 

The serious deficiency we advocates of rational philosophy have is that the other side’s views are readily expressible through one-liners, and ours are not. We certainly cannot, in this context, engage in the building up from fundamentals of an entire philosophy. We need to quickly counter the flawed statement with a similarly short riposte – rebutting the particular claim that was made, and nothing else – because there is simply no time for anything else.

 

So, what is to be done? I aim, in these situations, for my response to be 1) compelling to the other people involved by invoking shared values that would be endangered by the religious or governmental imposition, 2) non-offensive to even the originator of the remark – which requires a few concessions and qualifications where they do not detract from the essence of my opposition, and perhaps even a few words of praise regarding any of the speaker’s genuinely good intentions, merits, etc., 3) as easily accessible to the other participants in the conversation as the mantra it seeks to rebut. This is not easy to do, especially on short notice. But it must be done, or else socialism and religious fanaticism will take over because they are easier for the majority of people to understand.

 

What would you, Mr. Milenberg, do if you find yourself in this situation? Do you have a different approach that you would recommend here?

 

There are other complicating factors to consider as well. I am all for teaching people everything one can about the fundamentals of good thinking – but one must have willing students in order to do so, and those students must take initiative to a great degree in order to learn successfully. But such already exceptional people are rare. Most people would not wish to touch philosophy with a 20-foot pole, and yet many of these people hold ideas with highly dangerous implications (mostly through simple ignorance, the influence of tradition, a tendency to jump to conclusions too quickly, etc., but not through malice or any kind of Toohey-like disposition). They would not take initiative to learn from any of us, and if we tried to teach them too explicitly, they would become offended and even antagonistic.

 

A further complication is that the person with whom one converses might have some manner of power over oneself. One’s boss, instructor, local government official, or some comparable figure would almost never like to think of himself as being “taught” by a subordinate. He is the superior; he gives the orders; he expects to be esteemed, or he will hurt you. If one is fortunate, one will have a fairly tolerant and humane superior who appreciates one’s input, provided that one makes at least a token recognition of the superior’s priorities and understanding of the matter. But, unless one is explicitly invited to do so, one should never directly deny the statements and values expressed by one’s superior – for prudential reasons alone. One can, of course, think what one will and say what one will to persons whose confidence one can trust when the superior is not around. But in the superior’s direct presence, one should only try to plant little “seeds” of ideas, all the while enabling the superior to think that these are in fact developments of his ideas and ways of facilitating his values through an application of his subordinate’s talents.

 

It would be excellent, of course, if one’s superior makes at least incremental improvements in his treatment of his subordinates. For instance, convincing one’s boss not to promote people on the basis of seniority alone or convincing one’s local government official to perhaps give businesses enough time and convenient ways to file the paperwork required by regulations would both be major accomplishments. But how to persuade here? What would you do, Mr. Milenberg? What would others following this thread suggest?

 

Sincerely,
Gennady Stolyarov II
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Monday, June 30, 2008 - 5:13pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Stolyarov,

It is true that causal social situations are not suited to the extensive intellectual discourses required to teach philosophy, and for this reason I wouldn't attempt it there.  Defending rational philosophy in these situations is a much smaller problem.  Here it is necessary only to invoke that portion of the philosophy which serves this purpose.    

You write that
The serious deficiency we advocates of rational philosophy have is that the other side’s views are readily expressible through one-liners, and ours are not. 
That is not true.  These "one-liners" as merely single statements of fact about a given philosophy, and it is possible to make such statements about any philosophy, and it is easily done.  For example, a christian might say, "Jesus is the son of god," An Objectivist might say "Reason is man's means to knowledge."  A liberal democrat might say "regulation is good for the economy."  An Objectivist might say "It is only in fully free society that the pursuit of values is fully possible."  These statements are asserted as unproven remarks and are of little value in advancing any philosophy and I see no point in making them, but it can certainly be done by our side as easily as any other. 

Refuting these "one-liners" is relatively easy also, as long as you know your philosophy.  An Objectivist must know that his moral standard of value is life and his epistemological standard is reason, and be able to quickly isolate the inconsistency of the anti-rationalist's one-liner as contradicting one or the other, or perhaps both, of these standards and then state this contradiction.  In the case of the christian, an appropriate response would be, "it is not possible to prove the existence of a god, so to say that Jesus, or anyone, is the son of this creature is a completely arbitrary and unprovable assertion."  In the case of the liberal democrat, he might say "the regulation of the economy requires the coercive interference by the state with the free choice of the individual and since freedom is a necessary requirement of life, this is destructive in all cases."  

It is true that most people are really not interested in philosophy, and so clearly it is necessary to get them interested in it.  This can be done by explaining the benefits of philosophy and also the dangers posed by bad philosophies.  Those people who can not be persuaded to take it up will have to be judged as lost souls and forgotten.  

I would not look for shared values or complement someone who contradicted Objectivism, because they are advocating evil and it is wrong to do anything which might sanction it.  If I saw any point in correcting their mistakes I would do so in a direct and conceptual manner.  In dealing with those who hold power over me, such as a boss, I would probably not take it up, because it is not likely to accomplish anything of significance and is highly likely to bring me hardship.  

The best thing I think anyone can do to advance rational philosophy is to write books about it.  This format allows the full presentation of selected aspects, transfers it to a reader for his learning in quiet solitude so he can properly contemplate it, can be duplicated to reach a large audience and creates a permanent record which can be passed through history.  Presenting it personally to a single person or small groups does none of these, and is thus a very inefficient and ineffective way of going about it. 


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Mr. Milenberg,

 

Thank you for your responses to the situations I had in mind.

 

Point taken regarding the one-liners. It should be possible to build up a nice stock of them with enough prior thought and reflection on how to express philosophical fundamentals powerfully and concisely. Tailoring the one-liners to respond to specific popular one-liners of a statist or militant religious nature would also definitely be useful here.

 

You write, “It is true that most people are really not interested in philosophy, and so clearly it is necessary to get them interested in it.  This can be done by explaining the benefits of philosophy and also the dangers posed by bad philosophies.  Those people who can not be persuaded to take it up will have to be judged as lost souls and forgotten.“

 

I agree that some people – especially already somewhat intellectually inclined people – would be benefited by this approach. The problem I see here is that the majority of the people cannot be persuaded in this manner – simply because they do not have the necessary “specialization of mind” – for lack of a better term – to appreciate it. They spend the vast majority of their time on much more concrete tasks and issues, and they might well be acting in a manner fully consistent with rational philosophy without explicitly recognizing that fact. But they might lack the time and the energy to learn an entire system of thought in a short period of time. It seems to me a better idea, in these cases, to illustrate rational ideas using concrete examples that might be personally relevant to the people being addressed.

 

Unless this is done, of course, the majority of the people will continue to elect bad politicians, vote for bad laws, and engage in other activities that are highly damaging to freedom and progress. I do not believe in ever judging anyone as a “lost soul”, because this would concede that one is willing to have that person fight against oneself – and one would be unwilling to take measures in self-defense. In the intellectual field, our only weapons are persuasion and interaction with others. If we surrender those weapons, we simply let the others – who we think have dangerously wrong ideas – inflict harm on us with impunity. It is not possible, in the real world, to ignore other people and just hope that they will go away. One needs at least be polite to everyone (including the government officials responsible for bad regulations!) and, if one does not wish to help others understand the truth (which by itself is entirely understandable), it is wise at least to have adequate protections in place to ensure that the others do not pose an active threat.

 

I would like to address a point you made earlier.

 

You wrote, “If truth is divorced from logic then philosophy, as well as the whole of knowledge itself, reduces to a con game.  The ''truths" that are imparted to the masses in this manner will last only until the next con artist comes along to mislead them again.  It should be pointed out that there is philosophy which is advanced in precisely this manner.  It is called religion, and it is a fine illustration of the kind of philosophy and understanding which results from this process. “

 

Several responses:

 

1) Whatever might be said about the errors of religion, one fact is striking. Religions have survived for millennia – with significant adaptations, of course, but nonetheless, they have survived and maintained massive followings. When it comes to sheer effectiveness at maintaining adherents, the major religions are doing something right – although it is difficult to pinpoint it, and I would not necessarily conclude therefrom that advocates of rational philosophy should be using the same techniques. But I do think that there are effective persuasion methods and skills that are independent of any philosophy as such. Think of them as weapons in a war. A war has certain causes for which it is fought, and also has means by which it is fought. In philosophical wars, the ideas are the causes and the methods of persuasion are the means.

 

2) If the masses receive a truth, for however long, this is preferred to them not receiving it at all. Remember that time is crucial to consider in bringing about the kind of world we desire and would wish to live in. The method I suggest of focusing on conclusions might be the only one that gets us to a semblance of that world within our lifetimes.

 

Moreover, I believe that once the majority of people sees the consequences of a world in which rational policies are implemented, they will be persuaded from those consequences to adopt the underlying ideas. Most people are not readily persuaded by abstractions. They are, however, quite eager to be persuaded by empirical evidence of astonishing success. They first see the highly concrete results of a rational philosophy (technological progress, economic prosperity, a variety of opportunities for all) and then ask what made them possible and how more of them might be brought about.

 

I think, in the present era, we have a nice technological momentum going that continues to build on itself. People are still innovating and elevating standards of living, despite extensive government intervention and the widespread presence of failed ideas. What is needed, first and foremost, is to prevent government from becoming sufficiently more intrusive to suppress this technological momentum. I believe that, if we can even prevent a substantial worsening of the political status quo for the next thirty years, then the war for reason and liberty will have been won. Once technologies for major life extension, genetic engineering, free decentralized education, and online employment become available (as they will if even the political status quo continues without disintegrating further), then the benefits of rational ideas will become far too lucrative for most people to deny.  It will become easy to teach rational philosophy (or rational anything) in that world, and – which is best – we will be around to live in it. The main task today, I believe, is to prevent government from becoming bigger and more intrusive and to ward off attacks on modern technology and the modern economy by statists of all stripes.

 

This kind of defensive action might find supporters in unusual places – and I, for one, will take my allies where I can find them, provided that they agree with me on the particular aims I happen to have. These can be different people in different situations. For instance, some religious people might be of assistance in repealing economic interventions, while certain left-wing hippies might be helpful in fighting against the drug war. Ayn Rand herself supported this approach when she advocated that ad hoc movements be formed for dealing with specific issues where all participants agreed. As Rand recognized, every person has some spark of rationality within him – as he must in order to survive. I want to find that spark in as many people as I can and maximize its effect.

 

The good news, meanwhile, is that people are steadily becoming more intelligent. I. Q. scores are increasing rapidly across the board, even when the I. Q. tests’ baseline has had to be adjusted multiple times to account for rising general intelligence levels. People in general tend to exhibit more moral behavior now than ever before – as the disappearance of corporal punishment for and dramatic decreases in physical violence among children have indicated. All this is happening despite massive governmental mismanagement of the education system and the prevalence of wildly destructive ideas in mainstream society. This is good news for the prospect of persuading people of rational ideas in the future.

 

I wish you the best in persuading as many people as possible of the truth of your ideas. I will endeavor to learn all I can from what you have posted here, and I leave open the possibility that, after further contemplation, I might end up agreeing with you on still other points. The least I can say is that, if I happen to be wrong regarding some of my ideas on persuasion, I certainly hope that you end up being right.

 

Sincerely,
Gennady Stolyarov II

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