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Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 10:13amSanction this postReply
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During the fair, the “Grito Sagrado” stand was the only one subject to an act of vandalism.

Proof enough for me, that there are just folks that hate reason so much they would act as animals. I have yet to see an Objectivist act in kind toward another's life or property, even if that opponent was a complete idiot.

It's strange too, how often people will do whatever they can to stop the march of reason on this little speck of dust we call Earth. Soon or later, the issue will be pressed (personally I hope sooner) and the party will be over for the irrational, and the depraved. I'm not sanctioning the initiation of violence, but I am sanctioning letting these idiots live with their mistakes.

Sorry for the rant there, I've just been debating people on Objectivism and science on other forums, and pretty much my ability to retain some level of civility is wearing thin.

-- Brede



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Friday, May 18, 2007 - 3:57pmSanction this postReply
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Manfred,

Do you know if the books of Drs. Rojas and  Hamilton are published in English and available in the US? Or can we purchase English versions from the publisher?

Thanks -

Teresa


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Friday, May 18, 2007 - 10:35pmSanction this postReply
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Manfred,

Thanks very much for this informative and heartening post! It's great that you are working on a translation of ITOE [I heard once that it had been translated into Japanese, strangely enough...]

I'm sure you are aware of this website, in which Alan Tucker has written a number of long and very information-packed posts on the progress of Ayn Rand in various Latin American countries --> http://aynrandinlatinamerica.blogspot.com/

It's enormously detailed and gives a great picture of what is happening. I'm sure all of us would love to hear some numbers...number of copies sold of the various books, how long they were on bestseller lists, etc.

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Friday, May 18, 2007 - 10:35pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa: I think Dr. Rojas and García Hamilton´s books are not published in english, but you can try looking in www.atlas.org.ar or in www.hayek.org.ar and maybe find articles from both.
I´m sure that García Hamilton has published in english, but I don´t know if you can find his books. If you want, send me and e-mail and I tell you the titles, he always writes about populism in Latin America and he is vey good and has an easy language.
Maybe you can, also, translate hamilton´s articles with you PC, it is not very difficult.
Thank you for your time

Yours

Mario Tinto


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Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 4:57amSanction this postReply
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Thank you so much, Mario -

Can you post Hamilton's titles here?  I'm sure others will be interested as well.

Thanks again,

Teresa


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Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 7:05amSanction this postReply
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First things first: To all participating in this forum: Sorry for the delay in replying but I’ve been promoting the “Ayn Rand in Argentina” news to all Objectivist, atheist and individual liberty defending organizations I know worldwide (there are close to 500 on my record). Now to each participant separately:

Bridget: Your words are talking to my soul. Perhaps, later on, there will be a Dagnar Danneskjöld who will act following Rand’s principle of justice that “Nobody has a right to initiate an act of violence against another person or persons” and the connected right to defense if such an act of violence is started. At that time he can than point at the act of vandalism against “Grito Sagrado”. I foresaw that things like these would happen in my writing “Ayn Rand, I and the Universe” (see below paragraphs) though I thought that this would come up later, in a couple of decades or so. The fact that it happened now is a clear signal that we are father advanced on establishing Objectivism on a worldwide scale than we Objectivists ever dared to think.

From Chapter 7) THE REFUELING OF OUR POWER FOR CREATION

“All this will create a situation of clearly defined conflict. By that time, Objectivists will have to be perfectly aware that a very violent opposition will face them. The old dinosaur, in its dying contortions, will lash out furiously. This will be inevitable. A type of society that existed for at least 4 million years is finally coming to its end. It cannot be expected that it will clear the area without any ugly violence.
“We are viewing the beginning of a truly human type of society. Why we? Because we happen to be at the present state of the evolution of civilization. Anyone who has read and studied history at depth, with a broad view for repetitive details, cannot avoid the persistent notion that there is a red thread running through all events, linking every positive effort of mankind, presenting itself in every productive strife, in every rational intellectual act, in every betterment of life. It can also be noticed in the efforts made to eliminate the horrors which humanity had to withstand in its long road: the dictatorships of the monarchical and feudal times, the slavedoms, the tyrannies, the Inquisitions, the Holocausts of all types and the wars, the plagues, the famines, the pains and the brutality produced by mankind's enemies.”

Teresa:  I never thought that you would ever contact me again (after the disagreement of justice vs. law) and, due to the reason given at the beginning of this reply, my good friend Mario Tinto was faster to provide you with an answer. I think that your Spanglish (with the little help of a pocket Spanish-English dictionary) should suffice to read “El autoritarismo y la improductividad” (See http://www.amazon.com/Autoritarismo-Improductividad-Hispanoamerica-Authoritarianism-Unproductiveness/dp/9500720973/ref=sr_1_12/002-0684010-3830446?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179581437&sr=1-12) and besides meeting a very, very good writer who is also a great historian, Garcia Hamilton’s book is pleasant reading indeed. Unfortunately, no translation into English has been published up to now. Another excellent book, written by three former Marxists (Mendoza, Montaner and the son of Mario Vargas Llosa, who was a lefty himself years ago - converts have amazing arguments in favor of Capitalism once they changed sides) is “Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot” (also obtainable from Amazon, and this time in English!). May I recommend you to read it.

Philip: Thanks for the kudos. I didn’t know that ITOE has been translated into Japanese. I’ve read http://aynrandinlatinamerica.blogspot.com/ and informed Alan Tucker about my article in “Rebirth” for he may want to add it to his “history” of Ayn Rand publications in Latin America. Thanks for the lead.

Mario: Qué sorpresa encontrarte a vos en este antro de perdición, Objetivismo y Capitalismo! Bienvenido! And now back to English: It’s really great to meet you at “Rebirth of Reason”. Look through its pages which are all filled with excellent and deep articles that will give you countless hours of great insight and fruitful reading. Hope to read more of your comments soon.




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Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 7:19amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Manfred

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Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 9:10amSanction this postReply
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For most Americans who don't know, the book fair Manfred described and showed us photos of is a major event. Not some local bookstore open house or town festival or the like, of which there are thousands.

Here's how the Unesco website describes it:

"33rd Buenos Aires International Book Fair (Argentina) -- The Buenos Aires International Fair is the largest Spanish-speaking Fair in the world, and one of the most important cultural and editorial events in Latin America, where different authors, editors, booksellers, distributors, librarians, scientists and more than 1,200,000 readers meet."

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Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 8:04amSanction this postReply
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Dear Manfred: I´ve found this site because of you, and it is a honour to me to be here, following your articles and ideas. Don´t you ever forget that I feel like you are my father outside Argentina, and, also, my mentor. When I was 7 or 8 years old, you ideas influenced me to the point that I was alwys the "freak" between my friends. I was the only atheist that I knew with 12 or 13 Y/O.
And hen "Grito Sagrado" started to publish Ayn Rand´books here,I found new friends inside Argentina, something that I thought that was impossible for me. I love you and your family, and you know I admire you very much.
Marito


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Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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Teresa: I was trying to look for you the titles of Hamilton´s books, but Manfred was quicker than me. "El autoritarismo y la Improductividad en América Latina" (which means something like "Authoritarism and Unproductiveness in Latin America" is a very good book that tries to explain causes of underdevelopemnt in this region. i comitmyself to look for you the oter Hamilton books in english, please giv me just  little time.
Thank you, and thnk you for posting me. 


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Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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Mario,

I truely appreciate your effort and time.  Thank you.

:)


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Monday, May 21, 2007 - 3:07amSanction this postReply
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Again, first things first, to all those interested in this thread and to Philip Coates in particular: News on sales statistics of Ayn Rand books sold up to now by “Grito Sagrado” (by the way, the “Grito Sagrado” -Sacred Cry- is taken, as mentioned in my article, from the Argentine national anthem and the line following it is: “Libertad!, Libertad!, Libertad!” (I think it's not necessary to translate this). Well then: Ayn Rand books sold so far in Argentina: 35.000 copies, with “La Rebelión de Atlas” staying on the bestseller lists in Argentina for 90 days. Copies sold anywhere else so far (Uruguay, Chile, Bolivia, Perú, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, México, all of Central America, Mexico, a bit in Miami and another bit on the West side of the United Status): 25.000. Not bad for our revolutionary ideas, come to think of.

 

Mario: You have always so touchingly hearth-warming words for me. Thanks for them.
I saw that you brought to “Quotes” Jefferson’s wonderful words. Congratulations!

 

Teresa: You’re welcome. The pipe of peace has been lit and burns brightly, as it always should!




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Monday, May 21, 2007 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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Manfred, I just whipped out my pocket calculator.

Argentina has about 13% the population of the United States, so 35,000 copies would be the equivalent of 265,000 copies sold in a country the size of the U.S. My understanding is that's the equivalent of a runaway grand slam bestseller in the U.S. - doesn't take anywhere near that number of books sold to make the NYT bestseller list.

Those are *wonderful* results in translation to a second language and in a country and culture where Ayn Rand doesn't have the decades of knowledge and exposure she does here. And her growth here spread slowly and by word of mouth against the critics and she only reached bestseller status slowly and late.

Sounds like the growth has already started to spread to other Spanish-speaking countries and places in widening ripples out of Argentina and the publishing house's home base...

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Monday, May 21, 2007 - 9:36pmSanction this postReply
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And hasn't Argentina been in a long and deep economic slide so that books are far more costly in terms of purchasing power, fewer perhaps being consumed relatively, than is the case for us?

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Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 12:05amSanction this postReply
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Further good news: KRP (Nowscape) has added “Ayn Rand in Argentina” to his own webpage (See “Interesting Atheism Links” under http://www.nowscape.com/atheist0.htm). By the way: Under “Features”: Battleground God” you’ll find a very good test.

 

Philip: I fully agree with you and the calculation you mention, added to the fact that Argentina is in a deep economic recession due to its Peronist and further socialist governments (most of the ministers and officials formerly belonged to terrorist “organizations”, and together with the president - Kirchner - they all, of course, promote the Chavez-Castro axis,) makes the success of Rand’s books in Argentina even more significant. I think, together with Frederick Cookinham, who wrote that wonderful book “The Age of Rand”, that Objectivism is well ahead on its way!





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Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 4:07amSanction this postReply
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together with Frederick Cookinham, who wrote that wonderful book “The Age of Rand”
Definitely - one of the most delightful books dealing with the idea of advancing Objectivism...


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Wednesday, May 23, 2007 - 10:59pmSanction this postReply
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If someone who has read the Cookinham book, which few people have, would do a substantive review on another thread (more detail and depth than just "it was good and talks about the future of Objectivism"), many of us would greatly appreciate it since we can't buy every book about Ayn Rand.

I googled it and it barely showed a pulse on Amazon or the like where customer reviews are usually of quite high quality and give you a real good feel for whether you'd like a book.

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Friday, May 25, 2007 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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Philip Coates: Thanks for providing the link aynrandinlatinamerica. I relished every single word Alan Tucker wrote about Latin America, where things seem to move to the brink of a very fundamental change.

 

In what refers to “The Age of Rand” please accept my recommendation and buy the book. A full analysis would take many pages without replacing the pleasure of reading it. I myself have reached the last 10% of this weighty tome and regretting already that it isn’t even longer. Besides, I can’t advance faster for there are so many parts that just must be read several times for the intellectual pleasure they produce. Every Objectivist, nay, everybody should read this book.

 

Cookinham loves Ayn Rand dearly but he also saw the few mistakes she made, though these never touched her basics but only a few leaves on the far out branches of that magnificent tree that spends such a pleasant shade. I myself never agreed with her disagreement of a woman becoming president (why shouldn’t a woman become president of a nation? The argument Rand gives in this case is not convincing to me), her dislike for homosexuals (I’m straight myself but who cares about people’s sexual mores and, least of all, Objectivists). A female sexologist once complained about Asimov’s, the big Asimov’s, contention that if we are to live peacefully all together we will have to accept even “weirder” sexways; and her selecting a cigarette as a symbol (I myself having been a chain-smoker over thirty years ago, leaving the damn thing all by myself, with nobody else’s help) finally brought her to a, for my liking, far too early death.

 

So, leaving aside these few “buts”, Objectivism is THE idea and Cookinham makes a beautiful appeal for it. Hence and once more, please read it! It’s money very well spent!



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Monday, November 3, 2008 - 11:50pmSanction this postReply
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For those that might be interested to know what Ayn Rand books have recently been published by "Grito Sagrado" (www.gritosagrado.com.ar) in Spanish language:

- "Filosofía: Quién la necesita?" (Philosophy: Who needs it?)
- "Capitalismo: El Ideal Desconocido" (Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal)
- "El Manifiesto Romántico" (The Romantic Manifesto)

Next year three additional titles will see their premiere in Spanish, among them "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology", translated by myself.

In spite of all the troubles Argentina is facing in the hands of a red-wing government populated by bureaucrats coming from all branches of the terrorism in Argentina of the 70's, the Spanish language seems to be on the forefront in what refers to publishing translated versions of Rand's books.

Could some of the members please provide, if known, news on translations of Ayn Rand's books in other languages worldwide? It would be nice to hear it.

Perhaps the management of RoR should inform of these news RoR Spain...


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Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - 2:43amSanction this postReply
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I just received (by the fast DHL service) a copy of each of the books mentioned, as sent by my good friend Rosa Pelz, from Buenos Aires.

I have a P.S. on this that's even politically significative: The tree books were printed in China. (Ayn Rand in China: can you imagine this? It's just Wow!)

(Syntax error corrected)


(Edited by Manfred F. Schieder on 11/04, 2:52am)


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