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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 6:56amSanction this postReply
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As long as we lift sanctions and allow free economic connection with Iran, this can work - isolation only strengthens radicals.  Connection defeats them because then they have to explain why their rule is "necessary" when everyone can clearly see it is not.  This is also true in China - and conversely is why Castro is still in power.  I think that history has shown that sanctions are extremely counter-productive.  The results are similar to a so-called "trade war" where what the german uboats tried to do to Britain is done by the country itself voluntarily (ie trade is cut off).  The free flow of trade needs to be our #1 effort, and should not be affected by "moral" concerns in any way (be they leftward altruism or conservative values or anything).  This actually works to everyone's advantage in the long run.

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 7:13amSanction this postReply
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OK as long as the cure isn't deadlier than the illness. When the USSR intervened in Afghan politics and finally invaded the country, the USA backed the Taliban and helped the rise of Islam fundamentalism. The funding was done by setting up drug traffic.

Every eastern country backed Sadam because he was our strong man in the middle-east.

If the west helps dissent in Iran, it has to know who is backing and be sure they share our values. If we will hire a barbarian to fight a barbarian, we'll just find ourselves with a new barbarian at our doors.


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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:20amSanction this postReply
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He does, however, indict both America’s and Europe’s failure to seriously to consider the political warfare option, including the largely private option of divesting in corporations that do business with terrorist countries.
Some points:

1.- Always keep in mind that "terrorism" is a method of warfare, not an enemy.

2.- Europe, --and more exactly, the EU--, has already discarded the military option, at least for a while. The current EU's approach fundamentaly switches between dissimulation, appeasement and surrender, depending on the boldness of the Islamic enemy.

3.- Divesting in corporations was an option for 1979 or 1989, not for today, when China, Russia (and, yes, the EU) are ready to do business (albeit somehow covertly) with terrorist countries.

4.- My position is that America must strike Iran before it is too late. (If the American government is waiting for a popular war, our current strategic (and military) advantage will be lost in months.)

5.- The point I would keep under discussion is to what targets, and whith what intensity and duration should an America-led coalition strike against Iran.

(Edited by Joel Català on 4/19, 2:54am)


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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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Here is a very good article on Iran, especially because it goes over the actual internal political landscape, which I only had some small inkling of:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Production/files/luttwak0506.html


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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:49amSanction this postReply
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Tibor, would it be possible to provide a link to the Alexiev article you are quoting from? (I couldn't find it by googling the title or by doing a search on the Center for Security Policy site.)

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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(Dr. Alex Alexiev's complete essay may be found at http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Americas_Iran_crucible.pdf.)

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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 6:21pmSanction this postReply
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I read Dr. Alexiev's interesting and informative article. From his description, Americans and Israel are on a collision course with Iranian messianic psychopaths.

I appreciate Dr. Alexiev's intelligent approach to this problem, including his insistance that any military intervention by the United States in Iran be narrowly aimed at key components of the ruling elite, as opposed to targeting "Iran" and anyone who happens to live within its proximity. His description of the totalitarian and messianic worldview of the thugs who control the state is chilling. His observation that the ruling class lives by oppressing its subjects, and that it might be possible to exploit this essential conflict of interests through propaganda and the promotion of reformist ideas is worth thinking about.

Sadly, while I am willing to think actively about arguments to the contrary, I find it difficult to picture such a campaign of political warfare succeeding. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that the US state, which is, in effect, the world's biggest reigning meat ax, capable of designing and implementing such a subtle, difficult and unpredictable campaign of influence.

The ultimate object of any such campaign would be to install democracy in Iran. But it is unproven that Iran, with its warring ethnic tribes now kept in line by a totalitiarian regime, would be hospitable to democracy. In fact, I doubt that anyone can predict with assurance what the outcome of a campaign of political warfare in an alien culture would be. Let's not forget that American nation-builders installed the Shaw of Iran, with his oppressive central planning and his brutal secret police, after the preceeding regime nationalized British-owned oil holdings. One unintended result was the promotion of anti-American feeling in Iran that I assume continues to this day.

The most basic reason for my skepticism is that the US state--like states everywhere--is a blunt instrument of coercion and violence. By the time any plan of political warfare and support for reform movements emerged from Washington DC, I doubt it would resemble the plan that Dr. Alexiev has in mind. The warped incentives that drive political organizations make intelligent planning nearly impossible.

In addition, the only really effective means our government could use to persuade Iranians that the United States is a benevolent and peaceful country is to act that way. Withdrawal from the Middle East and elsewhere would constitute an effective propaganda message, because actions speak louder than words. Stating to the world that henceforth our policy is to mind our own business and protect Americans from any foreign threat, and then actually doing so, would make American appeals to the good sense of Iranians far more credible and influential. By removing our military from the Middle East and winding down the risk of an American invasion of Iran, we would reduce the incentives among saner Iranians for acquiring nuclear weapons.

At the same time, we could take additional actions designed to head off any threat posed by Iranian mullahs. We could promote the idea that the cost of any nuclear exchange would fall on the Iranian people. We could prohibit American oil service companies from dealing with the Iranian state, since those companies have no right to traffic in stolen property. In fact, we could repeal the myriad of restrictions and punitive taxation imposed on our domestic energy entrepreneuers, thereby unleashing the creative energy of capitalism in energy production. As George Reisman has persuasively explained in his book Capitalism, this would accomplish far more than any other policy to dramatically undercut the revenues flowing into the coffers of Middle Eastern thugs. We could also withhold official benefits extended by our state to European companies who supply the state-controlled oil monopoly in Iran. Americans could do a great deal to quietly and rapidly destroy the Iranian state oil monopoly on which the existing Iranian ruling elite is utterly dependent. 

However, our present policy of indiscriminate invasion and large-scale killing accomplishes exactly the opposite of its stated objective. Rather than protecting Americans, it targets them for eventual nuclear annihilation. Unfortunately, it is unrealistic to expect our government to withdraw troops from the Middle East and elsewhere, and to keep its hands off American energy producers. Perhaps Dr. Alexiev's proposal is our best hope. 


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Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 11:53pmSanction this postReply
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~~ A good point by Joel, re "1.- ...'terrorism' is a method of warfare, not an enemy [ie: an 'immoral' tactic, per se]"

~~ That aside, hasn't anyone learned yet that if one 'does buisness' with the Mafia, the Mafia ends up controlling one's buisness?

LLAP
J:D


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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 12:39amSanction this postReply
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John, good point.

Ed
[Personal note: Refrain from doing business with mafioso's (or their moral equivalents)]


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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 3:43pmSanction this postReply
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Tibor,

Thanks for summarizing this article and linking to it.  To those who object that Alex's strategy cannot be used against Iran - isn't this exactly what Reagan did against the Soviet Union?  The "Evil Empire"?  Whoever thought that was going to work?  Yet it did and now many pundits are acclaiming Reagan for what he did.

Bush started out talking like this, somewhat, but I don't know what's happened to him this last year or so.  He doesn't seem to be out there promoting views like this so much.  Did he get beaten down in the press or what?

Marsha


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Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 9:22pmSanction this postReply
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> Did [Bush] get beaten down in the press or what?

Marsha, he needed to take on press distortion and dishonesty and make it an explicit Spiro Agnew-like issue right from the start. Otherwise people believe the steady drip-drip-drip of lies and attack journalism from the mainstream media every single day. And your poll numbers drop from the seventies to the thirties. When someone attacks you very publicly and loudly and it's to a very large audience and you never say anything, it comes across as if they are right which is why you don't respond.

It's not that difficult to point out the press has a political, left-leaning agenda. Agnew did it very effectively and the mainstream press today is widely and deservedly distrusted.

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Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 5:50amSanction this postReply
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Ah yes - those "nabbling nabobs of negativism"...

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Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 6:34amSanction this postReply
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Mark Steyn's excellent take on this existential issue on the WSJ:

Facing Down Iran

An excerpt of the article:

"Twenty-seven years ago, because Islam didn't fit into the old cold war template, analysts mostly discounted it. We looked at the map like that Broadway marquee: West and East, the old double act. As with most of the down-page turf, Iran's significance lay in which half of the act she'd sign on with. To the Left, the shah was a high-profile example of an unsavory U.S. client propped up on traditional he-may-be-a-sonofabitch-but-he's-our-sonofabitch grounds: in those heady days SAVAK, his secret police, were a household name among Western progressives, and insofar as they took the stern-faced man in the turban seriously, they assured themselves he was a kind of novelty front for the urbane Paris émigré socialists who accompanied him back to Tehran. To the realpolitik Right, the issue was Soviet containment: the shah may be our sonofabitch, but he'd outlived his usefulness, and a weak Iran could prove too tempting an invitation to Moscow to fulfill the oldest of czarist dreams--a warm-water port, not to mention control of the Straits of Hormuz. Very few of us considered the strategic implications of an Islamist victory on its own terms--the notion that Iran was checking the neither-of-the-above box and that that box would prove a far greater threat to the Freeish World than Communism.

"But that was always Iran's plan. In 1989, with the Warsaw Pact disintegrating before his eyes, poor beleaguered Mikhail Gorbachev received a helpful bit of advice from the cocky young upstart on the block: "I strongly urge that in breaking down the walls of Marxist fantasies you do not fall into the prison of the West and the Great Satan," Ayatollah Khomeini wrote to Moscow. "I openly announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran, as the greatest and most powerful base of the Islamic world, can easily help fill up the ideological vacuum of your system."

  "Today many people in the West don't take that any more seriously than Gorbachev did. But it's pretty much come to pass. As Communism retreated, radical Islam seeped into Africa and south Asia and the Balkans. Crazy guys holed up in Philippine jungles and the tri-border region of Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay who'd have been "Marxist fantasists" a generation or two back are now Islamists: it's the ideology du jour. At the point of expiry of the Soviet Union in 1991, the peoples of the central Asian republics were for the most part unaware that Iran had even had an "Islamic revolution"; 15 years on, following the proselytizing of thousands of mullahs dispatched to the region by a specially created Iranian government agency, the Stans' traditionally moderate and in many cases alcoholically lubricated form of Islam is yielding in all but the most remote areas to a fiercer form imported from the south. As the Pentagon has begun to notice, in Iraq Tehran has been quietly duplicating the strategy that delivered southern Lebanon into its control 20 years ago. The degeneration of Baby Assad's supposedly "secular" Baathist tyranny into full-blown client status and the replacement of Arafat's depraved "secular" kleptocrat terrorists by Hamas's even more depraved Islamist terrorists can also be seen as symptoms of Iranification.

"So as a geopolitical analyst the ayatollah is not to be disdained. Our failure to understand Iran in the seventies foreshadowed our failure to understand the broader struggle today."

(Edited by Joel Català on 4/20, 6:39am)


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Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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What would a pacifist nation do in response to 9/11?

I think that's a useful mental exercise whether or not one is a pacifist. Supposing the goal is to return to the peace of your choosing as quickly as possible what "pacifistic" or at least relatively more humane forms of warfare might you apply against the regimes who enable terrorism?

Well you might have sealed the borders. You might have suspended the ability of Muslim males to travel to the United States. You might have lobbied the Mexicans and the Canadians to do likewise.

You might have lined up all your taxes. And seen if there were any taxes on the books more despicable then further taxes on oil and gas and then if there were you might have practiced tax substitution.

The Feds may have then have rolled out a diplomatic effort to try and get the individual states to do the same as well as other nations.

Perhaps the most effective form of "humane warfare' or 'pacificistic warfare' if that's not too paradoxical would be the ruthless slashing of non-defense spending.

Perhaps a nation with pacifist intentions would take the knife to its non-defense spending as a show of NATIONAL WILL that would make the foreheads of certain Saud family members sweat blood.

And perhaps they would do the diplomatic roll-out towards the individual States and towards their friends and allies urging them to do this also.

A big gleaming surplus. A big gleaming surplus so large as to put the fear and the trembling into the hearts of the unrighteous and the culpable.... But yet still enough left over for tax cuts to keep the struggling families onside with the rapid changes and more tax cuts to make sure that throughout the period of contention the economy is powering along and even after that yet more funds available to bring the Pentagons' wish list forward to make any third parties thinking of bleeding this country think about it a bit more carefully..

Then I suppose this country with pacifist leanings having exhausted all these less violent measures by September 13 could ring up Tibors' friend and Michael Ledeen and get them to put together a comprehensive plan of political and media warfare.

Now I'm an Australian who agrees with Paul Johnson in thinking that the American experiment is the greatest of all man's undertakings. And If we could now go back in time and run things over I would hope that the Great Republic would apply all these less violent methods of warfare in parallel and have the whole lot of them up and running by September the 12th.

Because we don't wish to see the greatest experiment besmirched by all this killing. The killing that happens when you don't win quickly. The killing that will happen if you let threats gather and multiply pushing you to a situation where poor leaders or leaders put on the spot will decide they will have to slaughter millions of foreigners out of simple national prudence.

Fans of the American experiment don't want to see all that killing that happens when Americans allow arbitrary limits to the scope and dimensions of the way that they fight their wars.........

And applying all these LESS violent methods of warfare would reduce the killing on both sides-supposing you did then go ahead with a real war.
But because I'm a well-wisher or to be more technically correct a FURIOUS PARTISAN and because more battles for human freedom have been fought on your territory then on mine........

Then if we could go back in time and you could apply all of the above measures (and more) and have them running in parallel on September the 12th......

Under this circumstance I would hope for one!.......more!.......thing!......

I would hope that you would wake up on the 13th and decide that ......"no no no we are NOT a pacifist nation. And we will avenge the effrontery of it all AND we will avenge those who have died....... or been injured.......and their friends and family ......... and friends of their family..... and potential secret admirers.....and Americans in general..... and all well-wishers around the world who were as furious as a cut snake ON THAT HORRIBLE DAY........ and so on"

So after applying the above I would then hope that you lined up the jihadist regimes (as at 9/11: Iran, Iraq, Arafatia, Sudan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban and Pakistani intelligence) and took them down simultaneously through AIR AND PROXY WARFARE using the other methods discussed as HARM MINIMISATION AND FORCE MULTIPLIER COMBINED.

I would hope that some of that surplus financial power generated by one of the above measures would be used to build up the big bag of American military Whoop-ass so that it was pumped up like a giant balloon and spitting steam.

Not so you would put your own lads in the riskiest frontline, or close-to-the-public-positions. But instead as a way of telling everyone from the getgo that you ARE going to win this one. That you are going to win it SOONER....... rather then later......... and that WHEN YOU DO win....... with all due overkill..... you won't be happy with third parties who have assisted the WRONG!!!! SIDE!!!!

Using alternative forms of 'warfare' in parallel just makes good military sense.
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See the old man. He has a staff and a long white beard. He sits on a log with snow-peaked mountains at his back. And he tells the small children this:

The old man says that there is no mystery as to the day when the war will end. He says that it will end when it is understood what it would have taken to end the war within the first two or three months of its outbreak.

The old man says that once having understood what COULD have ended the fighting in its first two months............. then the belated application OF this understanding.......................... will be all that is needed for victory.

HE SAYS THAT THE WAR WILL END WHEN THOSE MEASURES THAT WOULD HAVE ENDED IT AT THE OUTSET ARE FINALLY APPLIED.

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