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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 4:09amSanction this postReply
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Very interesting article, Tibor.

From what I've seen, being disingenuous is very typical of the Left. They like long sentences filled with words that practically no one else uses, like "hegemony". If you read one of their sentences once, by the time you get to the end, you have forgotten what it was about at the beginning. So, you read it again two or three times and it still makes no sense. Even though they no longer have communism as their secret agenda, they still seem to use the same tactics as they did in the Cold War.


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 10:03amSanction this postReply
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A wonderful illustration of how much liberals and conservatives actually have in common.  Following either group's arguments down their respective non-sequitur or ad absurdum paths leads to their unity in hypocricy and our current "hypocratic" state.  Thanks Tibor.  -Steve


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 2:25pmSanction this postReply
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Ain't it the truth?

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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 9:21pmSanction this postReply
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Comment on Burke,

Though he arose during the Enlightenment -- Burke was, at rock bottom, a statist-pig (see Strauss' book on Natural Law and history for proof).

The New Right is the Old Left (as Rand said),

Ed
(Edited by Ed Thompson
on 10/01, 9:22pm)


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 4:42amSanction this postReply
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That was always my impression of him, too, Ed...

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 11:25amSanction this postReply
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Did you mean Leo Strauss' Natural Right and History?

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 7:57pmSanction this postReply
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Tibor,

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Did you mean Leo Strauss' Natural Right and History?
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Yes, sorry (I fudged the title somewhat). It was specifically these troubling quotes:

p 298
Burke therefore seeks the foundation of government not in "imaginary rights of men" but "in provision for our wants, and in a conformity to our duties."

p 300
The health of a society requires that the ultimate sovereignty of the people be almost always dormant.

p 304
... in judging the political leaders whom he opposed in the two most important actions of his life, he traced their lack of prudence less to passion than to the intrusion of the spirit of theory into the field of politics.

p 310
Speculation, being essentially "private," is concerned with the truth without any regard to public opinion. But "national measures" or "political problems do not primarily concern truth or falsehood. They relate to good and evil." They relate to peace and "mutual convenience," and their satisfactory handling requires "unsuspecting confidence," consent, agreement, and compromise. Political action requires "a judicious management of the temper of the people." ...

Hence it may easily happen that what is metaphysically true is politically false. ...

Prejudices must be "appeased." Political life requires that fundamental principles proper ... be kept in a state of dormancy.

p 311
Whereas theory rejects error, prejudice, or superstition, the statesman puts these to use. ...

"Speculative inquiries" necessarily bring to light the imperfect character of the established order. ...

Considerations transcending "the arguments of states and kingdoms" must be left "to the schools; for there only they may be discussed with safety."

Ed
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Friday, May 24, 2013 - 10:07amSanction this postReply
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This is a fine article and as Professor Machan points out, the right to privacy, if properly understood, can only come from individualism.

It made me think about the legal beginnings of the right to privacy - it too has a checkered past. In Griswold V. Connecticut, Justice Brennan, one of the Supreme Court's leading progressives, "discovered" rights to privacy hiding as "penumbras, formed by emanations" from his reading of the wording in some of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights. Brennan was a strong proponent of the "living constitution" and of the Supreme Court's duty was to reinterpret it in light of modern community needs.

Going back in history, there was a fierce argument preceding the ratification of the constitution over whether or not including the Bill of Rights would create the impression that people only had those rights that were enumerated, or put another way, that government was only limited by those things it was explicitly prohibited from doing. The heart of minarchy is a government that can only act in defense of individual rights and that it is implemented by a constitution that creates an organization that can do nothing but what is explicitly permitted.

Those who argued on both sides of the bill of rights argument agreed on one thing: that the danger they wished to prevent was a government that wasn't strictly limited in its power by the constitution. In the end, it appears that they were both right. Without the bill of rights it is easy to argue with hind sight that gun control, censorship of the press, and any number of rights violations would probably have occurred sooner. But that same hind sight shows us that the basic view of the relationship of government and our rights has been perverted by the left and by the right, using the bill of rights to imply that government can do anything that isn't explicitly prohibited.

We, who understand individual rights, need to be aware of the danger in attempting to defend against government's intrusions by pointing at this or that right. The danger is that it leaves open an implication that government is able to do anything it wishes, or that democratic votes directs it to do, so long as a successful rights argument isn't made. It is the bill of rights argument writ large. Instead, when the intrusion is from government, our argument must be that it has no such right because it is limited to explicitly defined powers and no more. It is always a good thing to assert our moral right, but it isn't enough in this day when the prevailing view is that government can and should do anything that warms a liberal or social conservative's tiny heart. In a more reasonable society, we'd only need to justify our rights when the argument is between two sovereigns - i.e., two individuals - in which case we'd need to sort out which individual in a conflict is violating a right held by the other.

Brennan's creation of rights to privacy was made out of clever wordsmithing to support his desire to promote progressive ends and that left it without the solid foundation it deserves while furthering the concept that the federal government had powers not explicitly granted. Connecticut's law prohibiting the sale of birth control should have been struck down, but not in that fashion. The problem with the bill of rights is that it does not explicitly state that neither state nor federal government shall have any law that prohibits or hampers the free interaction between any private individuals or private organizations where that interaction does not involve the initiation force, or the threat to initiate force, or fraud or theft.

The bottom line is that sometimes when we argue a specific issue that government shouldn't be doing, we leave standing the idea that goverment can do other things that aren't in the constitution or that aren't related to the defense of individual rights. It makes political discourse too much like some kind of game of Whack-a-Mole. The right or the left pop up one proposed government intrusion after another which get to stay up unless you are successful in whacking it.

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Saturday, May 25, 2013 - 12:28pmSanction this postReply
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I particularly enjoyed this: "Of course, the radicalism of individualism is undeniable, but is it true? Yes, it is -- and everyone can experience its truth by observing himself or herself navigating the world: Although we all draw on what we learn from others, we ourselves are the ones who put what we have learned together and make it work for us."

Thanks for the musings Machan - Lurking here, and 'learning from others' is a very rewarding experience for this 'individual' - and I suspect many other readers of ROR.

BTW - That above statement also reminded me of that appalling Obama statement: "YOU, didn't build that..."

He just does not get it, and most of the political left never will I suppose - thanks again.




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Sunday, May 26, 2013 - 7:25amSanction this postReply
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Great point, Steve.

Ed


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Monday, May 27, 2013 - 8:37amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Ed. :-)

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