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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 12:58amSanction this postReply
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Has a good alternative to our current educational system and a method to realistically reclaim American education from the burned out 60's leftists who have overtaken it been proposed in any recent books? I mean has anyone outlined a step-by-step realistic political plan for saving education at all levels in the 21st century? I would love to read it if one exists.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 2:20amSanction this postReply
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Web pages offering materials to assist teachers boast of “attention-grabbing" solutions to stop or manage youth violence, school failure, truancy, dropping out, family problems, poor motivation, Asperger’s behaviors, apathy, bad attitudes, attachment disorder, ADHD, depression, withdrawal, peer conflict, classroom misbehavior, dropping out, independent living, anger control problems, delinquency, severe emotional problems, independent living, and even "girl's problems" like teen pregnancy.

It's billed as information that no contemporary youth professional can safely be without. Notice that teachers are now called youth professionals, and one wonders when they get the time to teach?

My mother is a teacher at a German Hauptschule (which is unclassifiable in the US system, since the German education system divides good pupils from bad ones after the elementary school. But let's just say it is the school for those pupils who didn't want to learn and deemed school to be a corporal punishment against them and an intrusion to their beloved free-time activity) and she has seen an increase in such "emotional" problems since the late 80s.
Although she thinks that you can't seperate teaching and those secondary skills, because the parents don't have the time for the children they had a century ago.
The school has gone to be a substitute to proper parental education.
She has no problem talking with those kids about their problems, but in the recent years she has seen that it often is futile. Now, she told me, she is just focusing on the few good ones in her class to get them to a point to join a reality based community.
She doesn't see the problem solely in the idea of state schools, although those need a lot more money to be effective, but in the way adults avoid their responsibility to educate their children.

Another issue in Germany is the call from manufacturs and craftsmen, who say that todays graduates are not even able to calculate simple equations. Also, they have problems with the lack of foreign language (even english) abilities and the missing general knowledge.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:19amSanction this postReply
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James asked:
Has a good alternative to our current educational system and a method to realistically reclaim American education from the burned out 60's leftists who have overtaken it been proposed in any recent books? I mean has anyone outlined a step-by-step realistic political plan for saving education at all levels in the 21st century? I would love to read it if one exists.
Visit http://www.honestedu.org to evaluate their game plan for this.


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Much in this rant can be questioned. 

Public education fails for the same reasons that public transportation or public security or public healthcare fail.  The specifics in each case come from the narrow field under discussion.  Yet, the commonalities are undeniable.  Public transportation fails because politicians decide what modes everyone should be taxed to create and support.  Labor unions and their seniority systems harm transportation systems, just as they do educational systems.  Other parallels also apply.  As philosophers, Objectivists seek universal solutions where none may exist.  Any workable solution to either transportation or education would have to begin with first principles.  What is offered instead is a list of problems and an implication that our woes stem from slapping on the wrong bandaids.

"Prior to the 60s the greatest behavioral difficulties were unruly demonstrations when a teacher left the classroom, or the heinous crime of chewing gum. Now teachers must be social scientists, who are nimble enough to dodge bullets and teach at the same time."

Teachers were assaulted in the good old days.  Problem  children always took time away from teachng the others -- and Young Tom Edison's outbursts were an example of that. 

"Private schools, which substantially outperform the public schools in every conceivable way, find no need for teacher certification."

That is not true.  I have yet to find a private school that would overlook my lack of degrees or credentials.  One reason is that private schools are forced to conform to the same laws as public schools.  The great exception has always been Catholic schools, which, nonetheless, always favored credentialed teachers, when they were available.  Now, there is no shortage of those with state approval via colleges and boards of credentials.  The key difference between private and public schools -- and this is broad, not universal -- is that because parents pay directly for education, they take more interest in it.  That one factor alone has been a bitter pill for collectivists: education level of parents, parents' incomes, neighborhood demographics, etc., correlate less with pupil success than does the simple involvement of parents.  Schools with strong PTAs have good test scores. Period.

"It is not news that the greatest minds that exist now or have ever existed, the greatest scientists, mathematicians, poets, writers, artists, and inventors the world has ever known would not be allowed to teach in a public school."

Even in an Objectivist Utopia, that might still be true.  Being accomplished at music does not mean that you know how to teach music.  How you learned may not be appropriate for others.  Teaching  is a separate skill. Different people learn differently.  That is a problem with any system of mass education, private or public. 

"In the “thrilling days of yesteryear” when “father knew best” ... the job got done with nary a thought to blaming parents when students didn’t learn."

See the comments above about PTAs.  Also, as creatures of free will (or whatever it is that makes you you), different individuals make different choices.  My wife and I raised the demographics of our neighborhood across a decennial census with our college degrees.  Our daughter always hated school.  Maybe she just got enough learning at home.  When I was a kid, our parents were never able to understand why the delinquent on our street was the policeman's kid.  Later, Mick Jagger explained it: "Every cop is a criminal and all your sinners saints."  The poor little kid just got beaten all the time.  His father believed that you can force people to be good and that you should punish them for being bad.  No wonder he was a delinquent.  On the one hand, blaming the parents is a good start.  On the other hand, people -- even children -- make choices of their own.  That is free will.  And you cannot construct a utopia to prevent it.

"A few kids dropped out who were not of an intellectual bent...  "
Back to Young Tom Edison again, the kids who dropped out were often the geniuses whom the teachers could neither answer nor control.  Also, there is a fallacy that "intellectuality" as we define it in classical terms is a useful mental habit.  I have published over 200 newspaper and magazine articles.  I got through literature classes in high school and college with Classics Illustrated comic books -- even Cliff's Notes were boring.  I loved learning grammar.  It was denigrated even by those who taught it because as "intellectuals" they prefered imagery in Tennyson to vestigial subject-verb inversion in English sentence structure.  Even the word non-fiction demonstrates the prejudice against writing the TRUTH.  Writing the TRUTH is an anti-concept: non-fiction.

"The dropouts took useful, honorable positions in factories, supermarkets or auto shops because that was what they preferred in the first place."

That is an intellectually dishonest.  It is a obviously an insult.  If you are not enthralled with Byron, then you can have an "honorable" job in a supermarket.  You know what I learned about working in a "supermarket"? That is where John D. Rockefeller started after graduating from Central High School in Cleveland. How about this: If you cannot work in a supermarket or a factory, then, what good are you as a  person?   If I could live my life over again, in high school, I would not take history or English, both of which can be learned from books.  I would have taken four years of shop, supplementing that with art.  Those are the skills I lack today that I wish I had.  Unfortunately, I was victimized by a public school system based on the shared values of my central European homelife that idolized "intellectual" pursuits and insulted manual labor by calling it an "honorable" vocation for those less gifted.

 Bill Gates spent most of his two years at Harvard playing poker.  On the Bizarro Planet, school children gamble at cards for 12 years in order to prepare them for useful careers as entrepreneurs?  There is no one way for everyone.  It is an intellectual fallacy shared by Objectivists and the collectivist from whom they seek to differentiate themselves that they know some grand universal truth to which every individual should be conformed.

"We were grateful for a competent mechanic." 

The "intellectual" prejudice created instead a world of paper-pushers and committee-meeters and management managers.  The mechanics you meet are fully competent -- at home.  When you pull into the garage, however, they hate you from the instant you hand over your car keys because they know that you think that they had to settle for an "honorable" career, not having the "intellectual bent" for something better.

We learn that the ancient Greeks denigrated physical labor and elevated theoretics and idealization.  That came later, from Plato -- and is echoed in Aristotle.  In point of fact, I submit PROTAGORAS by Plato, the story of the debate between Socrates and Protagoras.  The question was whether justice can be learned.  Each man convinced the other of his point and everyone was amazed.  Along the way, they agreed that in the assembly, if the question is ship-building, then only the opinion of the craftsman counts and anyone -- no matter how well born or cultured -- who attempts any opinion is shouted down an eventually dragged away by the Scythian guards for speaking from ignorance. 

In Plato's Republic, a different plan of action is suggested.  That Platonic/Aristotlean prejudice against physical labor became an enshrined deity in the immaterial anti-material world of the medieval university.  That medieval university is the model for education, even today.  Prattle all you want about the glory days of laissez faire railroads financed with bonds backed in gold, the people who created those things you admire were auto-didacts: they taught themselves by working. 

I believe that children should be put to work as soon as physically possible.  My daughter worked starting at age 12.  She was not enslaved.  She worked for money.  By the time she was 14, she was making $100 a day when she worked, which was not often enough, now that I look back on it.  When she was 15, she got her own job, off the books. Today, she is a bartender, going to a community college, to earn a certificate as a court reporter.  I told this story in some detail on THE WELL.  The WELL is the old Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, an outgrowth of the old Whole Earth Catalog of the 60s and 70s.  Based in San Francisco, The Well has a lot of liberals and only a handful of "house libertarians" to provide them with amusement.  When I told, this story, I got an insulting reply that the fact that my daughter works as  bartender and at 25 has no college degree invalidates my claim that children should work.  To be specific, it is a liberal (Platonic) belief that intellectuals are a better kind of person.  That belief operates among Objectivists, as well.  For all of the capitalist rhetoric, the fact is that Hank Rearden's place is in the mills and ideas are the province of Hugh Akston who only held an honest job when he was on strike. 
 
"Young minds are taught that firmly held convictions and clear visions of the truth are ‘worthless hallucinations of the mind,’ and that truth and fact are judgmental."

Well, actually, I can tell you from my experience as a middle school substitute teacher and from my many years of intimate relationship with another middle school teacher, that most of what most teachers of any subject in any school try to do with "young minds" is exactly what Objectivists want them to do: discover the facts, integrate them into ideas, and test the theories with new discoveries of facts.  The "worthless hallucination" nonsense does creep in early, but mostly comes from intellectuals in colleges.  The funny thing (well not so funny) is that it comes in private or public schools alike.  (As I noted above, Objectivists share many of these assumptions.)    The "worthless hallunication" theory of knowledge comes from administrators and politicians working in many positions made possible by the common belief that "intellectuals" know what is best for everyone. 

Consider the arguments that take place here, the 100-post threads where nothing is settled.  You would think that a narrowly defined system  like Objectivism -- being as it is reality-centered and reason-validated -- would have no basic disagreements on matters of common experience.  Such is not the case.  I honestly believe that for some of the people here -- and they might say the same about me -- their firmly held convictions and clear visions of the truth are indeed hallucinations of the mind.
That being the case, exactly, which truth, would you have schools teach?

Should we spank children?
Should we kill Muslims?
Is it moral to work as a prostitute?
Is George Bus promoting freedom?
Is Leonard Peikoff faithful to the principles of Objectivism?
How many percepts does it take to make a concept?

" Umberto Eco ... Jacques Derrida ... "

Well, the world has never been short of fools and one of the blessings of a free society is that foolish people can buy the books of foolish authors. One of the weakest aspects of Objectivist rhetoric is this habitual citation of the New Times Best Seller List as a cultural barometer.  Fundamentalist Christians do the same thing, interestingly enough.

" ... many young people lead aimless non-productive lives, feeling nothing but hopelessness. Some drop out, eking out a life on the streets, others become trolls in a relative’s basement, yet others adopt greed as their standard, but universally they eschew the dreary details of existence for a slow suicide of drugs, sex, and rock and roll."

Typical of Objectivist rhetoric, that statement comes without statistical evidence.  How many young people?  What percentage are trolling in a relative's basement?  And what's wrong with greed?  How did that slip in there?  Greed is good.

"It is interesting to note that what was a high school diploma in 1948, is equivalent to today’s Baccalaureate."
How is that measured?  It is comforting to believe.  My personal research, based on the books that I find most useful to me as an adult, working as a writer for business and technology is that education peaked about 1966.  My standard handbook of English grammar -- found only last year -- is actually the text we had in 12th grade grammar.  My physics books is Sears.  My calculus book is Thomas.  My American history book --  well,... Parrington and Hofstedter and Morison are somewhat lacking, I confess... I like the Almanac.  I do not trust the Encyclopedia Britannica, so I also have an Americana to keep them honest. 

In Cleveland, Ohio, in 1948, you could graduate from high school with four years of Engish (alternating American and English literature semesters with semesters of grammar and composition), two years of language (Latin, French or Spanish; German had been dropped for World War One, but was replaced after Sputnik), two years of math (one of algebra; one of geometry), two years of science, typically biology plus your choice of either chemistry or physics.   The rest of the credits were electives, such as journalism, music (chorale and/or band and/or orchestra), home econmics (girls) or shop (boys) and lots and lots of study halls.  That was for college preparatory.  Business electives and the General option were different.  One of the really smart guys in my class (1967) had the insight to take typing.  We never understood why....  until we bought computers...

After Sputnik, things got serious.

Also, in Cleveland, there was, since the 1920s, a program called Major Work.  Known elsewhere as "The Cleveland Program" they took the brightest kids from all the schools and gave them schools of their own.  They got four years of math, four years of science, four years of foreign languages, etc.etc., etc.  It was a political struggle between the Platonic Elitists and the Platonic Progressives to boost or cut into Major Work in the funding wars.

The inflation of college degrees is a result of many factors.  As much as we can criticize college education -- and we do, rightfully -- the upside has been the world we enjoy today.  We could not even be having an online discussion of philosophy, otherwise.  Perhaps that might not be so bad.  Perhaps it would have been better to put us all to work as children.  Then, about now, after working and getting rich and reading in our spare time, someone or more of us might invent a cheap, effective modem to go with a cheap effective computer so that we could share ideas about cheap, effective anti-oxidants.

Or maybe not.

One of the problems -- a serious, basic problem -- with designing a better world is that we only know the world we grew up in. 


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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Michael Marotta:  Good God man, submit an article instead.  This post was 2,476 words long!  And it went everywhere.

For those who don't have the time or interest, I'd like to note the following statements that jumped out at me.  I originally inserted my own comments after each quote but I've reconsidered.  I really don't care to debate.  I'd rather leave these statements to stand on their own.  You can draw your individual conclusions.

As philosophers, Objectivists seek universal solutions where none may exist. 

What is offered instead is a list of problems and an implication that our woes stem from slapping on the wrong bandaids.

  

Later, Mick Jagger explained it: "Every cop is a criminal and all your sinners saints." 

 

Even the word non-fiction demonstrates the prejudice against writing the TRUTH.  Writing the TRUTH is an anti-concept: non-fiction.

 

.  It is an intellectual fallacy shared by Objectivists and the collectivist from whom they seek to differentiate themselves that they know some grand universal truth to which every individual should be conformed.

 

The mechanics you meet are fully competent -- at home.  When you pull into the garage, however, they hate you from the instant you hand over your car keys

 

.  Prattle all you want about the glory days of laissez faire railroads financed with bonds backed in gold, the people who created those things you admire were auto-didacts: they taught themselves by working. 

 

I believe that children should be put to work as soon as physically possible. 

, it is a liberal (Platonic) belief that intellectuals are a better kind of person.  That belief operates among Objectivists, as well.  For all of the capitalist rhetoric, the fact is that Hank Rearden's place is in the mills and ideas are the province of Hugh Akston who only held an honest job when he was on strike. 

 

One of the weakest aspects of Objectivist rhetoric is this habitual citation of the New Times Best Seller List as a cultural barometer. 

 

Typical of Objectivist rhetoric, that statement comes without statistical evidence.

 

 

Or maybe not.
 


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:43amSanction this postReply
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Jason Dixon wrote: "Good God man, submit an article instead.  This post was 2,476 words long!  And it went everywhere."

I had a lot to say. 

In fact, articles must be approved.

Articles might not be approved.

One of the principals here already told me that he read my "essays" (his quotes) in other media and his opinion, I lack talent.

Perhaps I do.  The fact is that I can post here in a Forum, without prior approval.   A couple of economic and political principles come to mind, but I will not belabor the point.

Judge for yourself.  Go to www.studentpilot.com and read the Articles Archive or try the www.coin-newbies.com archives.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:50amSanction this postReply
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Luke Setzer recommended www.honestedu.org where I found this on the first page:

Many parents believe that the core of "education" is primarily learning the Three R's: Readin', Writin', and 'Rithmatic.

 Myself, I would have called the Three Rs (no apostrophe) Readin', 'Ritin' and 'Rithmetic.

We all make misteaks at the kyeboard, granted. I suppose that you can teach arithmetic without knowing how to spell it.  So far, however, these people have only convinced me that incompetent though the government may be, they are not much better.


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:13amSanction this postReply
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Oh yes Michael, everyone's equally bad so let's not judge.
The incompetence of the government isn't Objectivists' only problem with government interference - it's the principle of the thing as well.  Not that these can really be separated.  Private individuals doing something instead of the government isn't a guarantee of competence, but it sure as hell makes it more likely. There are other considerations as well, but of course we have great economists who've detailed the advantages of private action.

As far as articles not being approved, that's telling.  I wouldn't have read your 2500 word rant had it not been for glaring insults to Objectivism and what it revealed to me about you.  It did not have the logic and progression that an article would require, and that's not because it was simply informal. 

You say you've been told you lack talent and "Perhaps I do".  Now this is one of the things that irks me.  You seem to be an intellectual agnostic.  Either you've judged yourself to have talent or not; either you see, based on your work, that your critics are wrong or you see they are right.  Stop sitting on the fence, on this and every other issue.

Jason


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:15amSanction this postReply
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Wolf - Thank you for a thought-provoking article.  I'm sorry I hijacked it briefly, but I did enjoy reading it.

Jason


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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Interesting piece, especially since I (as a university student) can relate to it.

The article discusses how American academica has turned into a non-judgmnetal institution that preaches moral, cultural, and scientific relativism. True, very true.

Ironic, however, that the political stance that the monolithic proffesorate takes is unified and all-too-judgmenal, preciselyin the one instance it shouldn't be. In class, my American History professors said, "Capitalists are swine. They're bastard people." My Physiological Sciences professors said, "The biggest evil in America today is: uncontrolled capitalism." Every day in every classroom, I hear the songs and rants of letfists--radical leftists--who have no problem forcing their views on their students and (as I and countless other students will testify) expressing those views in their gradebooks.

This problem I can address, for it is the most obvious, if not the most powerful. And there is a movement, Students for Academic Freedom, founded by David Horowitz, a prolific conservative author and activist, that is self-tasked with fighting the orthodoxy. (Incidentally, Alec is the president of SAF at UC Santa Barabara and I at UCLA.)

The problem here is clear and I think it can eventually be resolved.

But what of the larger, less explicit, less visible problem of the whole college mindset? I don't know, but I think that starts way before college. Perhaps even in kindergartent where, with new role-playing techniques and equality games, students come to appreciate both sides of the story -- both the criminal's and the victim's -- and learn at last to abstain from judgment on the matter, to embrace the values of tolerance and empathy in a strange pursuit of human decency.

The problems in American education are many and I want to thank you for highlighting some of the more important ones.

Garin


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:44amSanction this postReply
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Luther- thank you for this website. It is the eventual answer; the philosophical answer. I guess I agree with Alec and Garin that the immediate political answer is the David Horowitz approach. I have admired him for years.

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Good thing I did not go into humanities. When I was at U of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, I TAed some Physical Chemistry courses and my friends TAed some Math and Mechanics (Statics and kinetics) courses. I was extremely impressed with the rigorousness of science education in American universities - assuming UIUC is typical among US universities. I believe that comparing with other countries, US higher education in natural science, engineering,  as well as medicine is arguably the best in the world.

The K-12 education in US is quite another matter. I also cringe at the subject of "Social Study". I much prefer the old fashioned "History", "Geography", or "Politics".


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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:16amSanction this postReply
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Wolf,

I enjoyed your article. I'd like to make an observation based on my 30 years of experience working in the electronics field. I do not have a college degree. That has not stopped me from doing the kind of work I enjoy, electronics product development. But, I have only worked for small companies, either start ups or established. They are only interested in getting value for their money and I've always been well valued where I've worked. I've held titles as R&D Technician, Technical Support engineer, Associate Engineer, Engineer, Electronic Circuit Designer, Quality control engineer, and Senior Technologist. But I have never received a reply if I've sent my resume to a large company, that is to say, more than 100 employees or yearly revenue over 50 million. I don't think these companies are run by stupid people, but I know by experience that probably half of the people they are hiring for the jobs I've applied for are not as capable as I am.
I think there are two reasons for this:
1. Companies by law are not allowed to do general aptitude testing of prospective employees because they have been deemed "discriminatory".
2. Old employers are not allowed to give a comprehensive review of your performance in your previous position because they fear being sued if they report any negatives.
So job references have little meaning. "Credentialism" is the rule of the day. How and why this bit of social engineering came about I'm not prepared to say. But I do think that the educational establishment and the government had everything to do with it. We do not have a free job market. I'm free to work where I like, but prospective employers are not prepared to take a chance on people like me if they are not allowed to determine their risk ahead of time.

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Crud, I though a BA was pretty damn good. I'm still not sure about going one though, I'm taking a year off, going to the Peace Corps (kidding). I'm about to graduate and at this point I'm seeing a kind of deminishing returns on my education, I'm going into politics and I have a lot of connections so why don't I just go out there a get a job? Is there anything that grad school can teach you about a career in politics that you can't learn as an undergrad? I'm prob going to work for a group in DC starting this summer although I'm stilling looking for other jobs in the area. My point is, I guess, is that ya'll are saying 20 years in school ain't nothing special and I simply don't think thats true.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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Luther,

Thanks for that link, I will look over this site...

This page seems to say some of the things I was trying to state on another thread. That "skills" training is not enough to be educated. Traditional  liberal education was supposed to be much more.

Quote from the site " Traditional educators, on the other hand, held "wisdom"—not just skills—as the goal of an educated person. But for over a century, American school leaders have more and more focused on "career skills" and for over a half-century, on "life adjustment" or "social skills" as the ultimate goal for their students. "

I think Allan Bloom points out some powerful points also in his book "A Closing Of The American Mind". That some of the people teaching the students are on the same emotional intelligence level as the students themselves, and these teachers have nothing to offer as far as life guidance. Which are just as important, if not more, then the "skills" themselves.

This is not necessarily their fault, since they too have been put through this system of education, and the system is not setup to address these issues.

Shane

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Michael, you have misunderstood and/or misinterpreted so much of Robert Davison's article that it would require an article longer than your post to explain it. That's probably why most posters have ignored what you said.

Barbara

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 5:42pmSanction this postReply
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Jason Dixon wrote:

Wolf - Thank you for a thought-provoking article.  I'm sorry I hijacked it briefly, but I did enjoy reading it.
Been away for awhile and just saw this, thank you for reading it Jason


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Mike Erikson makes a good point:

So job references have little meaning. "Credentialism" is the rule of the day. How and why this bit of social engineering came about I'm not prepared to say. But I do think that the educational establishment and the government had everything to do with it. We do not have a free job market. I'm free to work where I like, but prospective employers are not prepared to take a chance on people like me if they are not allowed to determine their risk ahead of time.
Competence counts for nothing, it's how many box-tops you've collected.



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In the last few years, I've been a teacher and a private tutor and a substitute and have taught for long or short periods in classrooms of every grade preschool through high school.

Admittedly, I've been working mostly with gifted kids in a back to basics and Objectivist-oriented school, but I've also tutored and taught one summer at a Catholic high school and the biggest problem I've seen is not politicization or left-right bias or Progressivism. It's a failure of quality of textbooks.

They aren't integrated, are not conceptual enough in history and literature or fragmented in math and science (all areas I've taught). They don't have the old-fashioned Nineteenth Century style of

i) giving the full picture or context,
ii)linking to other subjects and previous years,
ii) telling rich stories,
iv) giving chronological development,
v) giving concrete applications in full depth,
vi) reducing the amount of material to more fully master the 'unit'
vii) 'motivating' the subject..
vii) ...etc.

The problem is *epistemological* not political..and would not be fully solved in the short term if all schools were privately owned and competing.

If I had a million dollars I'd start to write new textbooks. The busy, well-meaning teacher is -very- dependent on teaching what is in those books and not much more. Or doesn't know much more.

I could say so much more on this subject, but its a detail-rich lecture topic more perhaps for specialists. Not so much an email-casual topic.

--Philip Coates

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Tuesday, March 29, 2005 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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Addendum: The biggest problem is textbook quality; it's not the only problem.

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