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Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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I hope no one in government hears you, Eric!

Barbara

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Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 8:44pmSanction this postReply
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Barbara,
 
I'm not sure where you live but I can tell you that they don't need my ideas they are coming up with ideas just like these on their own. (Well accept for the literally eating people part, its damn close to it in taxes though)
 
Let me give you an idea of exactly how bad it is here.
 
Buffalo has been in the hands of the Union Democrats since the birth of US Steel. 50 plus years of these people being in charge worked when they had government protections on their side but NAFTA and other Free Trade agreements along with just normal global and national competition has caused many of the intelligent business owners to flee this massively overpriced labor market. All the fleeing businesses coupled with the related population decline has left the tax base in shambles but this has only caused the Democrats in charge to increase taxes and spending. I was born here and until I started studying more into economics I never realized that I was witnessing a very interesting cycle, the death throws of a city trying to evade the truth of its situation.
  1. The more people who move away
  2. The smaller the tax base becomes
  3. To make up for the lack of funds, they increase taxes.
  4. Increase in taxes causes a decline in businesses, So more flee.
  5. Every time businesses leave, more people go on government assistance programs
    1. Couple that with the people who move here from other places to get onto the rather generous assistance programs
  6. So that leaves us with a decline in the productive and an increase in the unproductive moochers.
  7. A decrease in tax base, increase in taxation and out of control spending practices of people trying to live in 1950 unionized buffalo, while providing for all those in ‘need’ at the same time.
But that is only the city of Buffalo, the county of Erie which the city of Buffalo resides in, is in the same situation as the city. The county has been trying to prop up the city with sales tax dollars in the past ten years and as a result of that and what the sate has done, they too are resting near destruction. You see the state of New York has passed the most generous Medicaid Bill ever seen in the history of our great state and because they couldn’t afford it in their Budgets they have mandated the counties of New York pay for it. In short, our choice is raise the sales tax from 8.25% to 9.25% OR raise county property taxes (which are 50% higher than the national average) OR we start cutting county services and lay off 3000 county workers and close the county to make Medicaid costs.
 
Of the choices a good portion of the privately employed people want the last rather than be bitten by the first two as they have in the past. The problem is that the deficiency between the population of the productive and that of the unproductive results in the un-productive being able to vote ‘bread and circus’ every time at the costs of their fellow citizens.
 
This is just the beginning though. In my lifetime, the city of Buffalo has become completely bankrupt and this year it has spread to the county of Erie. If no reasonable reform comes then it won’t be long till this state rests in the grave it has dug for itself. 
 
I became an Objectivist to realize I am standing in the lands of the enemy. 
 
Shrug Away,
 
~Eric.


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Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 8:52pmSanction this postReply
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(Edited by George W. Cordero on 11/13, 8:55pm)


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Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 8:52pmSanction this postReply
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I became an Objectivist to realize I am standing in the lands of the enemy. 
Eric, I wouldn't go quite that far - LOL - but I agree with the sentiment that you conveyed in both your article and the response you gave Miss Branden.

George


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Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 10:26pmSanction this postReply
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Eric: "I'm not sure where you live but I can tell you that they don't need my ideas they are coming up with ideas just like these on their own."

Eric, I live in Los Angeles -- and before that in Santa Fe, before that in Canada, before that in Manhattan -- so I well know the kind of ideas governments can come up with. It was your idea about people being eaten that I hoped no government would hear, although in some parts of the world governments are already familiar with such policies.

Barbara

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Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 9:20amSanction this postReply
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Incidently, george, it wasn't my intention there to come off as an apocalypse lover.  It just comes out that way sometimes when I start to think about everything their doing.  Most of these people are great people, i don't actualy think they are the 'enemy', they're just taking rather misguided statist actions against me and other productive people.  I mean realisticly most of these people are people like my grandmother, love you to death and is willing to tax you alot no matter the consequences.

:-)

~E.

(Edited by Eric J. Tower on 11/14, 9:26am)


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Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 7:40amSanction this postReply
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I recently read that if taxes are not increased in Erie, the county will only have enough funds to pay for the government pensions and salaries, and not enough for police, fire, emergency, or any other services.

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Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 4:01pmSanction this postReply
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Stephen,

My understanding of what the County Executive has said is that if they decide not to increase some tax then they will essentialy have to close the following

All county libraries (there are like 15-20 of them fully staffed)
Most county employees will be laid off (parks services, road services, sherifs dept, all county administrators except for one office of people.)
A good portion of the fire, police and emergency service in the city of Buffalo. The county supports the city costs on that.  Suburbs will only be slightly better off because they have volunteer fire depts. 

So essentialy you are correct Stephen, without tax increases the county government will essentialy have to close itself and lay off 3000+ people. 

The flip side is that if they do increase taxes they push all the suburbs and the city of Buffalo deeper into the hole.  I know a number of businesses in the county that are already on their way to collapse, this will just accelerate them towards it.

Where are you located Stephen?

~E.


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Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 9:53pmSanction this postReply
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I live in Tampa, FL. I came across the article while perusing the internet, and it disheartened me because I always thought upstate NY would be a great place to live.

I used to live on Long Island when I was very small. The taxation in New York was a major contributor to my family's decision to move to the east coast of Florida.

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