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Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 10:37amSanction this postReply
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At the risk of prolonging the tangent here, I want to say that I was sure this apology would be forthcoming, since I have sometimes agreed with Mr. Barnes’ comments and regarded him as intellectually honest, despite the unfortunate tone he adopted in his criticisms of Mr. Stolyarov—who is a highly intelligent and productive individual.

To get back on track, this article has intensified my desire to read more of Nietzsche. Thank you, Mr. Perigo!

(Edited by Rodney Rawlings on 3/21, 10:57am)


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Monday, March 22, 2004 - 6:45amSanction this postReply
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Personally I haven't read much Nietzsche- got about half way through Thus Spoke Zarathustra and never got round to finishing it for some reason!

Are there any particular works of his that Linz or others would recommend that Objectivists should read?

MH


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Monday, March 22, 2004 - 6:45amSanction this postReply
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Monday, March 22, 2004 - 8:32pmSanction this postReply
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I've read The Antichrist/Twilight of the Idols, Beyond Good and Evil and Thus Spake... I may have read Birth of Tragedy...I don't really recall.  I remember being impressed with the ideas I'd never previously considered--I was roughly 18 at the time (oh so long ago!).  But that was way before I'd ever heard of Rand or Objectivism. 

Now that my ideas have changed (or rather, I actually have ideas, now), I don't know how motivated I could become in digging out those books and reading them again.  I didn't know what it was at the time, but something about the nihilism--despite its eventual optimism--turned me away from Nietzche.   I am seeing Nietzche through the lense of time, though. (a.k.a., I have a terrible long-term memory...)

Plus, I don't know if I have the time to go over Friedrich once more.  I'm still working my way through all these damn Objectivism books!  Luckily, from what I hear, I can look forward to a thorough analysis of "Rand con Freddy" in my edition of Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical  http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sciabarra/randstar.htm.  Thanks Dr. Chris!





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Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 10:30amSanction this postReply
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There are a few key differences between Rand's heroes and Nietzche's, but the most important is cosmology.

The basic mechanism behind Nietzche is the concept of the Eternal Return; and while there are plenty of situations where philosophy has buggered up science, this is one where a scientific theory has buggered up philosophy.

The Eternal Return is an ultimate theory of the Universe; that if it is infinite, everything must, at some point, repeat exactly; and also eternally. It's an idea that was around from Ancient Greece, but found new life as an implication of Newton's theories, and, along with the Heat Death scenario, became the worm in the apple of 19th C optimism. After all, it destroyed the idea of true progress at a stroke - it appeared that the Universe was, at worst, a brief flicker, doomed to be extinguished; or at best, an elaborate puppet show, playing the same matinee over for eternity.

Nietzche took all this rather hard, understandably; it lead him to ultimately reject science - for what use is that in an irrational universe? - along with society, God, ethics and everything else. Ultimately, all that left him was his ego, with which, like a thermonuclear version of Oscar Wilde, he attempted to dynamite the vast joke of the cosmos.

Fortunately, Rand must have been away the day they were handing out the Eternal Return assignments. Her heroes, though they pick up more than a few notes from Nietzche, lack such a cosmology entirely, and replace it with a very general idea that the universe is benevolent (using life itself as evidence). Indeed, if people are ends in themselves, then life is an end in itself, then a cosmology as such is probably beside the point anyway. Hence Howard Roark may blow up a building, and John Galt let a corrupt society slide into the abyss, but there seems little doubt that unlike Nietzche's "blonde beasts", they prefer to leave the universe intact.

- Daniel







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