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Sunday, July 3, 2005 - 9:36amSanction this postReply
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It is also interesting to note that Mr. Larsen painted this in the online cordair art studio and you can see its step by step creation at this link  and you can see other in studio works here.  

Enjoy the art,

~E.




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Friday, August 12, 2005 - 4:25amSanction this postReply
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I wrote a sufficiently scathing review of this "art" work on the artists site... in reflection I felt a bit cruel.... So am glad the page failed.... However, the jist was," this artists hackneyed technique and lack of original vision is matched only by the ignorance of the person who, self importantly imagining themselves in the place of the metallurgist, would be stupid enough to buy this
painting."

Good on him for being able to draw, but he should stick to illustration.

Then again, playing to the egoes of the industry and money obsessed nouveau riche is a good tip for making a living, especially as these types have a lot of money and little taste.









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Friday, August 12, 2005 - 11:37amSanction this postReply
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What is it exactly about Larsen's work that you find to be "hackneyed", and lacking in original vision?



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Friday, August 12, 2005 - 10:48pmSanction this postReply
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MPT: What is it exactly about Larsen's work that you find to be "hackneyed", and lacking in original vision?

Thirty years ago, I dated a girl who was an artist.  She worked in the display department of a variety store and I worked on the receiving dock.  She said that it was hard in college because everyone hates Norman Rockwell.  "They say, 'realists are a dime a dozen', but you never can find any," she said.

As much as I like the many links to objectivist artists posted here on SOLO, romantic realism bears a scary resemblence to the social realism of totalitarian art.  See, for instance, Helmut Lehmann-Haupt's Art Under a Dictatorship (1954). 




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Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 5:29amSanction this postReply
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Not all romantic realism art resembles Socialist Realism. But yes, some of the pictures and sculptures at Quent Cordair do remind me of those propaganda posters...



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Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 1:21amSanction this postReply
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Hey, well guess I was in a bad mood, I guess and was just being a bit nasty... In the preparatory sketches the smoke stacks billowing forth are far more prominent and I may have been reacting to this. Hackneyed in a sense means unoriginal, and there is nothing original about this work, to be honest i use to paint, and it was my best subject in highschool, I too could draw and was better than most of my peers at realism.

I was also discouraged by the modern art world, and its lack of respect for ability and technique, although there are valid arguments for this standpoint often revolving around the idea of message making or conceptual art, alot of this art is however in my experience heavily realiant on the write up that acomapanies it, somewhat defeationg the concept of communication via the work itself.

If Im honest I think its the subject matter as far as anything, and the market to which it is aimed. The capatilist industrial idealogue is in a sense a fashist. and in this way I agree with the post above.

I believe it is designed to sell rather than confront. Politically I believe in a sort of socialist capatilism, the main problem with capatilism is that it is that it only values that which can be monetarily valued, the concept of the cost in terms of the environment, to those entities who do not have a voice under capatilism, e.g. organisms other than humans, and the humans at the lower end of the socio-economic scale.

In this sense, you cant be objective about what you cant see. If you have power but lack objectivity, which you cant have if you perception is impared, you enforce your lopsided view of reality on others.

Thats my best attempt at a rationale for my violent outburst, anyways... interested to hear your opinions...
(Edited by Quintin Mckinnon
on 8/13, 7:26pm)




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Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 1:13pmSanction this postReply
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Quintin Mckinnon wrote,

I wrote a sufficiently scathing review of this "art" work on the artists site... in reflection I felt a bit cruel.... So am glad the page failed.... However, the jist was, "this artists hackneyed technique and lack of original vision is matched only by the ignorance of the person who, self importantly imagining themselves in the place of the metallurgist, would be stupid enough to buy this
painting."
Good on him for being able to draw, but he should stick to illustration.
Quintin,

I'm curious if you feel the same way about most of history's art. Are all of the paintings and sculptures of bible stories and mythological heroes mere illustrations and evidence of lack of original vision? Or is your primary gripe one of subjective taste -- that despite the borrowed narrative content in their works, artists like Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Caravaggio, El Greco, Rubens and Rembrandt had refined senses of taste where Larsen is so lacking in it as to be revolting?

J




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Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 2:14pmSanction this postReply
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Quintin:
    Would you say that Larsen's other works add up (for you) to the same impression you get from this one painting?

LLAP
J-D




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