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Friday, August 2, 2002 - 5:28amSanction this postReply
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How about a follow up question to this...

If you've read a good number of her books, what do you recommend to friends to read first?

This comes from me reading AS first, and recommending it as a first AR book to a friend of mine. Someone else told her to read Fountainhead first (I disagreed) and now she's torn! ;)

-Elizabeth

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Friday, August 2, 2002 - 11:43amSanction this postReply
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I thought Atlas Shrugged was a better book to the Fountainhead, perhaps it was because I read Atlas Shrugged first.

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Friday, August 2, 2002 - 5:02pmSanction this postReply
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I've recommended AS to four people now as an introduction to objectivism, however, three of them never made it to the end of the book. My fault, as I knew they were not 'readers'. I would now tend to suggest Fountainhead simply because its an 'easier read'. Anthem would be no good, as too sterile other than for the committed in my opinion.

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Saturday, August 3, 2002 - 9:34pmSanction this postReply
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It seems to me that a lot of people who read AS first tend to turn into Libertarians. I think it focuses a little more on the negative aspects of a bad political system, whereas Fountainhead is more about ethics, specifically individualism. I always recommend Fountainhead first.

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Monday, August 5, 2002 - 7:20pmSanction this postReply
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Hello everyone!

Up to my teeth in it, but couldn't resist adding my comments here.

I would recommend 'Philosophy, who needs it.' to first time readers. The very first essay in it in fact. :)

I don't recall ever reading the Fountainhead, though I'm sure I must have. People seem to get way too hung up on the rape scene to make that a good recommendation. LOL!

Then again, it might be better to tell them to read Heinlein first. *grin*

Joy :)

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Monday, August 5, 2002 - 9:48pmSanction this postReply
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You know, I've wondered how much my early love of Heinlein's books paved the way for the adoption of Objectivism.

My favorite Heinlein quote:

"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss."

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Tuesday, August 6, 2002 - 6:22amSanction this postReply
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LOL! Hi Jeff, that is among my favorite Heinlein quotes as well!

I read Heinlein at a very impressionable age (my dreaded early teen years :) and I know it has affected how I live my life even today. Rand's works did seem to build on that, or at least define what was behind his thinking in many ways.

Joy :)

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Thursday, August 8, 2002 - 5:05amSanction this postReply
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Ever imagined Heinlein & Rand spending an evening together? I see her as the giggling girl for the first hour, to his charming man. Then him keen to leave the griller later in the night as she toasts him for his lack of focus, and fetish for statistics. -)

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Monday, August 12, 2002 - 1:41pmSanction this postReply
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Oh Sam, what a kinky thought!

I love it!

Fetishes and more! They both liked cats a lot though. What was that you said about focus? Hmmmm.

But truly, I think he could have avoided being toasted for lack of focus and his fetish for statistics (and redheads :).

Men such as he ... well, just have a way with women, especially rational women. *grin*

We just can't seem to help ourselves ... and if she talked too much, well, there are lots of ways to silence unwanted chatter.

Joy :))

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Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 5:15pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Randroids:) I can safely say that I started reading Rand in the closet so to speak. I was only a little boy hanging on my mother's apron strings while my brother who was 1 yr older was reading Rand and transforming himself into an unabashed atheist, then a dreaded word. We were supposed to be Christians! I thought she was dangerous so I did everything I could to turn my head whenever I saw those little nasty dirty paperbacks laying around in my brother's room.

My first Rand book was The Romantic Manifesto and it was a jolt. Then when I came out of the closet my Christian family wouldn't understand why I couldn't confine myself to being a mere atheist:) Now I am a gay atheist who reads Rand's books. A dedicated nonconformist. I recommend the Romantic Manifesto because it will rouse anyone from dogmatic slumbers. Make no mistake, she was still in her Nietzschean phase when she wrote that Manifesto. It is a paen to power and a glass of cold water poured on the head of teen age Hamlets lost in a postmodern labyrinth of indecision. It is an antidote to existential angst in an ironic byronic universe and what is more, it is supremely unapologetic. Rand was like the title of this web site: SOLO. She did not spend her time rummaging through art books to seek out what artist she "should" be, but like a friedrichean pressoir she posed her heros on high presipices looking down on nature and humanity wondering when the confounded lot would get its act together. Modern Art left her uninspired. In the preface of her manifesto she considered herself a bridge from the past to an unknown future. Unlike modern artists she was not a victim of her age, but a herald of the future. If you like gothic laberinthine darkness or its antithesis postmodern fake frothiness I suggest you read Rand's pied-a-terre head-in-the-air rational romantic realism, I only wish she would have written more.

Oh Joy, I think you should write Rand's Guide to the Joy of Cooking, the Joy of Sex is has already been written, and the Joy of Politics or Feminism seems an oxymoron. How about, How to Enjoy sex while Cooking:) Imagine Kama Sutra souffle, or 50 very short recipes while lying prostrate before your microwave. I love your name!!!

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Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 7:26pmSanction this postReply
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With all due respect, what are you doing here exactly ?

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Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 2:39pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry, I can't answer that question, I need a little more background from you Francois. Are you writing to me? to yourself? Is that a metaphysical question? If so its incorrectly asked. Are you asking what this site is about? If so look around. I give up, you've got me stumped.

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Friday, August 23, 2002 - 3:01amSanction this postReply
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I was hoping someone would ask what a friedrichean pressoir is. Sounds like an eighteenth century curling iron, or perhaps a hand-cranked dildo from the Victorian Age:) Not at all. I was referring to that collection of paintings by Caspar David Friederich where the hero stands on some lonely mountainous crag looking out at nature. Can anyone see that?

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